<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981</id><updated>2012-02-16T09:07:59.084Z</updated><category term='Arun Community Church'/><category term='Come be my Light'/><category term='Jim Wallis'/><category term='Eat This Book'/><category term='Peterson'/><category term='Apostle Paul'/><category term='NT Wright'/><category term='marriage'/><category term='Democracy'/><category term='Set Apart'/><category term='Rob Parsons'/><category term='Politics'/><category term='Delirious'/><category term='God&apos;s Politics'/><category term='Winchester'/><category term='wealth'/><category term='www.Kissyourfeet.blogspot.com'/><category term='Brian Mclaren'/><category term='Money'/><category term='F.F. 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font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;'Mere Infants' yet lacking no gifts - Paul addressed the Corinthians.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;'Milk' -&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;second hand food pre-digested by the mother, then fed to the baby.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Reactions under difficult situations can tell us how far we have come.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Mature people grow beyond self-interest, become self-forgettful, and then denying-self.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Signs of maturity &lt;b&gt;... a&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;greater concern about holiness than happiness - happiness the by-product of holiness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="color: #333333; line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;1a. What spiritual maturity isn't&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Not an ageing process.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;li style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Not instantaneous&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Hebrews - let us go on to maturity. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Need to be mature before we can reproduce ourselves.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Never final and once and for all.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Phil 3:12-13 - to that I already attained this … but I press on … I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it … straining toward what is ahead.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Not automatic&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;not just through reading your bible&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;not just through receiving prayer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Not a possession of spiritual gifts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="color: #333333; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;li style="font-family: Helvetica;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;can be gifted but immature.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font-family: Helvetica;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;1 Cor 1 - they had no lack of spiritual gifts but then Paul continues in 3:1 - I could not address you as spiritual .. mere infants in Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1b. Signs of Immaturity&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Eph 4, Heb 5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Helvetica; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Eph 4 - signs of immaturity - not knowing your own mind, easily deceived.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Heb 5:12-14 - stuck in the elementary - not able to discern good from evil.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;1 Cor - Don't act like 'a mere man'!&amp;nbsp; Not mere men - we are God's people, born again!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;N.B. Reactions under difficult situations can tell us how far we have come.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;'Only wanting milk':&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;What does that mean? &amp;nbsp;Second hand food - pre-digested by the mother and then fed to the baby.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;We mustn't be satisfied with receiving only what is the result of others handwork.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"An immature Christian is not prepared to pay the price of receiving God's word firsthand."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Emotional instability:&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;ul style="font-family: Helvetica;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Being blown around.&amp;nbsp; Heb 5:12-14.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The spiritual question is not does this please me, but does this please God?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;There are deeper things that will direct a mature Christian.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Contentiousness:&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Helvetica;"&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="font-family: Helvetica;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"We are what we choose, but not what we feel."&amp;nbsp; Our will, not our feelings, is the big thing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Helvetica; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Insensitive to evil:&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Helvetica; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="font-family: Helvetica;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Not able to discriminate between good and evil.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;wrong question - what is the harm in it?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;right question - what is the good in it?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Helvetica; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Self-centred:&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="font-family: Helvetica;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Mature love is undemanding, immature love is demanding&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #333333; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Mature people grow beyond self-interest and become self-forgettful, and then denying-self.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;ul style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;2a. What spiritual maturity is&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Gal 5:22-23&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="color: #333333; font-family: Helvetica; line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Fruit grows, rather than being instantly obtained.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;We are able to move in a sprit it of love, joy, and peace - showing patience, kindness, goodness,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;there is a faithfulness to our words, and a gentleness that is not to be despised.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;gentle - not soft, pathetic, but not using power in an abusive way, 'gentlemen'&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="color: #333333; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;2b. Signs of Maturity:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: #333333; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Helvetica; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="font-family: Helvetica;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Knowing God.&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;A desire to know God better - a concern for his glory and his purposes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Holiness before happiness&lt;/b&gt;. A greater concern about holiness than happiness - happiness the by-product of holiness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Beyond Milk&lt;/b&gt;. not satisfied with milk - feed self on the word of God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pleasing God&lt;/b&gt;. &amp;nbsp;Driven by a desire to obey God and find out what pleases him&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Serving&lt;/b&gt;. &amp;nbsp;A love for serving others.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Giving&lt;/b&gt;. &amp;nbsp;A giver more than a receiver in almost every aspect of life&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Authority&lt;/b&gt;. &amp;nbsp;An ability to accept authority increasingly as someone exercising authority&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Cross&lt;/b&gt;. &amp;nbsp;Understands the cross and it's impact on their lives&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Responsibility&lt;/b&gt;. &amp;nbsp;Not frightened of responsibility, growing in love for both God and man.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Helvetica; 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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;John Groves&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Leading People (pt 2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;First part (we covered a lot tonight!) of notes from John's second of three, teaching sessions on Leading People. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;listen [when published]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;headlines&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mjV8yZICNF8/Txx71iHKTqI/AAAAAAAAEK8/723aE1gKDrA/s1600/photo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mjV8yZICNF8/Txx71iHKTqI/AAAAAAAAEK8/723aE1gKDrA/s200/photo.jpg" style="cursor: move;" width="149" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Good Christian leaders usually feel out of their depth and dependent on God - "&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;A day late and a dollar short" - John Wimber.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;The spiritual question is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; does this please me, but does this please God?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;We can be interested in what do you know,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;biblical leadership is about who you are &amp;amp; what you do.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Mature character wants to receive God's word firsthand.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;3 passages&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;1 Tim 3: v1-14&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Titus 1: v6-9&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;1 Peter 5: v1-3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;3 lessons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Qualifications for leaders in the N.T. are 90% character.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Key goal of leadership - to develop others in their Christian life and gifting&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Professional mentality in church leadership leads to positionally minded leaders.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;1. &amp;nbsp;Wrong views on leadership:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Mt 23&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;they do not practice what they preach&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;everything they do is done for men to see&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;they want the place of honour at banquets&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;They love status and position, and people acknowledging their role.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Jesus's teaching:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;you aren't to be called rabbi - you have one Lord,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;you aren't to be called teacher as you have one teacher in Christ&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;whoever humbles himself will be exalted, and whoever exalts himself will be humbled.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;We can be interested in what you know&amp;nbsp;but&amp;nbsp;biblical leadership is about who you are and what you do.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;2. &amp;nbsp;Unhelpful terms - clergy and laity&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Acts 4:13, John 7:15&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Jesus and the Apostles were in a category the world would call 'laity'!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Acts 4:13 - "When they realised they were 'laymen'".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;John 7:15 - "how did this man [Jesus] get such learning seeing as he is a 'laymen'".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Biblical?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Clergy, laity - a clear divide in the modern church.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;N.T. perspective describes all saints together, each with a role - but a single body.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;When we get the wrong view we get positionally minded people coming into authority.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;3. &amp;nbsp;How the early church chose their leaders?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;They chose leaders based on who was already serving with some anointing and character.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;The power to recognise some forms of leadership founded upon present service.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;4. &amp;nbsp;What does God look for in leaders&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;1 Peter 5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;be shepherds of God's flock under your care,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;serving by overseeing,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;not because you must but because you are wiling,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;not lording it over those entrusted to you.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;be an example to the flock and when the chief shepherd appears you will receive a crown of glory that will never go away.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 14px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;List of attributes show 90% character&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-5066963727624725382?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/5066963727624725382/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=5066963727624725382' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/5066963727624725382'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/5066963727624725382'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2012/02/notes-john-groves-leading-people-pt-23.html' title='Notes: John Groves - Leading People (pt 2/3)'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mjV8yZICNF8/Txx71iHKTqI/AAAAAAAAEK8/723aE1gKDrA/s72-c/photo.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-7750037489239886577</id><published>2012-01-22T21:06:00.015Z</published><updated>2012-01-29T08:47:51.048Z</updated><title type='text'>Notes: John Groves - Leading People (pt 1/3)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;John Groves&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Leading People (pt 1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Notes from John's first of three, teaching sessions on Leading People. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;listen to &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/goog_1697336846"&gt;John's preach here titled '&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #2c2c2c;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.winfam.org/Media/AllMedia.aspx" target="_blank"&gt;Leading People #1: The Heart Of The Matter'&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #2c2c2c;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small; text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;headlines&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mjV8yZICNF8/Txx71iHKTqI/AAAAAAAAEK8/723aE1gKDrA/s1600/photo.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mjV8yZICNF8/Txx71iHKTqI/AAAAAAAAEK8/723aE1gKDrA/s200/photo.jpg" width="149" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;The saving change of a leaders life - [comparing Saul and David] his heart was devastated when he sinned against the Lord. - 2 Sam 12&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Jesus to Peter - what was the question before the commission to serve "…Do you love me more than these? …. Feed my sheep."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small; text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Intro&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;Biblical principles of leadership which apply to secular and church roles.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;John's experience of leadership - youth leader, Crusader's leader, Christian Union, School Teacher (10 yrs), Elder in church 32 yrs, Lead Elder, 22 yrs, Married 35 yrs, Father 33 yrs, helping other churches (20 yrs).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;3 verses&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Mt 12:33-35 - what you say will essentially come from what is in your heart.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;1 Sam 16:7 - 'the Lord looks at the heart'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Prov 4:23 - Above all else guard your heart for it is the wellspring of life.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;3 lessons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;No. 1 priority -the heart.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;God judges the heart, not by the externals.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;the heart determines the purity of the source.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;heart - 839 references in the bible.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;heart = mind + emotion + will&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Others may judge us superficially, but God can handle our failures if he has our heart.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Fruit grows as a result of the root that is planted within us.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small; text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;8 characteristics of a good leader&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;1. a heart to serve&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;phil 2: 3-7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;leadership is fundamentally a form of service&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;'minister' also means 'servant'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;If the heart's desire is for kudos then 'it will all go south' in church, and probably in work also.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;to be more occupied with pleasure that a goal was reached, to not be disappointed that my own contribution towards that goal was not recognised.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Leadership is always responsible even if not empowered to immediately resolve an issue - to take responsibility.&amp;nbsp; Feel responsible for things. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Leaders should be prepared to lay down their lives for those they are leading.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;2. a heart for people&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;mt 9:36 - "…he had compassion on them, because they were harasses and helpless like sheep without a shepherd"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;1 thess 5:14 - "…warn those who are idle, encourage the time help the weak, be patient with everyone."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Not everybody is the same - people need differing responses - see 1 Thess.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Admonish - to call attention to.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Addressing difficult people, not to asset yourself, but understanding the impact they are having and seeking to resolve this for the better.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Encouragement&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Help the weak - helping those who have a vulnerability through teaching and other means.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Patience -&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Confront - on a platform of care&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;take what we know about people and consider how best to serve them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;3. a heart for work&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;col 3:23&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;for at it with all your heart as though working for the Lord not men.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;delegation is not getting rid of it - monitoring, holding accountable.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;sitting back and not doing anything and 'see what God does' - take example of not doing anything with a garden and seeing what God will do - it will become a complete mess.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;a leader cannot be lazy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;4. a loyal heart&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;phil 4:3 - "… loyal yokes fellow, help these women who have contended at my side …"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;2 Tim 2:2 - "… to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;loyalty does not equal 'yes' man. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;loyalty does mean where I have a problem, I take it to the person with whom i have the problem. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Keep the circle as narrow as possible for as long as possible. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Only bring in people who are part of the problem or part of the answer - bringing others in is disloyal.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Be very careful to not become a sympathetic ear to moans about the leaders.&amp;nbsp; Can be flattering as people confide their gripes in us. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;5. a willing heart.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;judges 5:2 - "When the princes in Israel take the lead then the people willingly offer themselves - praise the Lord."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;a time when leaders are called to serve people by leading. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;a leaders blessing - "if someone's got to give a lead - I'll give a lead."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;a good leader will choose to step into a breach even if it isn't his favourite place or something which they have a lot of knowledge about.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;a willing hearted leader will often do things they might not choose to do, which in turn brings about a willingness in others to then lead.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;no good asking others to do something which I am not prepared to do myself - willingness to take a lead and be an example.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;6. an open heart&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;acts 16: 6-10 - this is the historic moment when the gospel comes to Europe rather than Asia.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Firm in principles but flexible in practice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;as leaders we can feel we have to get it right all the time - but in this passage we see Paul and his team arriving somewhere and realising it's not right to progress, so they stop, and check where they &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be going.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;this model contrasts with the style of a leader who 'goes up the mountain returns with the decree', ascends the mountain returns with another decree' - more step-by-step than that.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;this is the historic moment when the gospel comes to Europe rather than Asia.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Open to the Holy Spirit, Flexible, risking criticism.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Open hearted leaders are exciting, as they are open to what others are thinking and consider their thoughts intelligently.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;7. a disciplined heart&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;psalm 90:12 - teach us to number our days aright, that we may gain a hear of wisdom.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;know the measure of yourself.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;know your own vulnerability.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;time with God is vital.&amp;nbsp; Jesus must have a place in our time and in our heart.&amp;nbsp; A discipline that gives time to God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Q. how do you get time?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;A. you have to pluck time out somehow.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;prove 16:9 - in his heart a man plans his course.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;be alert to the fact of the shortness of your life.&amp;nbsp; be aware of what factors shape my time and life - mustn't be fear of what will happen if *this* doesn't get done.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;8. a heart for God&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;1 sam 13:14 - "the Lord has sought out a man after his own heart and appointed him leader of his people, because you have not kept the Lord's command."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Saul started well but soon crumbled, the flaws in his character showed under pressure, and he didn't put God first in his heart.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Samuel says - God wants a man after his own heart.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul style="list-style-type: hyphen;"&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;both fail, both sin, David comes through, Saul falls.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;1 Sam 15 - Saul full of self-justification, and self-protection.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;2 Sam 12, Psalm 51 - David is devastated before God when he has sinned. 'I have sinned against the Lord'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Insecurity can be a major issue foe leaders, and can create high-achievers in work.&amp;nbsp; But those who lead in a godly manner must be secure.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Don't think too highly of yourself - remember that we deserved nothing, but received everything - the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;John 21:15-17&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;"…Do you love me more than these …. Feed my sheep."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-7750037489239886577?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/7750037489239886577/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=7750037489239886577' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7750037489239886577'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7750037489239886577'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2012/01/notes-john-groves-leading-people-pt-13.html' title='Notes: John Groves - Leading People (pt 1/3)'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mjV8yZICNF8/Txx71iHKTqI/AAAAAAAAEK8/723aE1gKDrA/s72-c/photo.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-1479777324959839036</id><published>2011-10-11T13:49:00.006+01:00</published><updated>2011-10-11T14:13:55.469+01:00</updated><title type='text'>a time for joy, a time for tears</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;In a week in which we could be blessed with the birth of a daughter, we will also ache at the recent death of her Grandma.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;For the Christian there is a deep and profound joy in the hope which both events signify. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;In the birth of new life I see not only the lost-for-words made-in-his-image creative beauty of God, I also remember new life in Jesus, hope for life that never dies, and hope for life that really lives. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;In the death of a life, I see the horrible horrible destructive echo of the power of our rebellion to God. &amp;nbsp;Stuff in this world just stopped working properly when we decided we knew best, when we didn't.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;I'm then reminded of the horrible and wonderful sight of the perfect Son on of God on the cross taking the blame for me, so if I would only ask and trust in him, then I could be forgiven and walk into the open arms of God. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Nothing to add, nothing to do, only to trust, and then relying on his strength ... to follow.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;Death was ultimately my fault, Life is ultimately his gift.&amp;nbsp; He died so I could live. &amp;nbsp;Seems ugly to some. &amp;nbsp;To me it seems like a mind-blowing exchange. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;For those who suffer, for those who grieve, for those who rejoice, God is very near.&amp;nbsp; He has promised us that if we draw near to him he will draw near to us. &amp;nbsp;That's what he is like - he is always near.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;I want to encourage everyone I know to take a few weeks of your life and see if Jesus is real, what he is like, and what he has to say to you.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;This is the most important thing you will ever do with your life. &amp;nbsp;Here are a few ideas ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;find a church with people who seem honest and impressed with God and whose lives seem to be a bit different - I can personally recommend these places (though of course there are many others) ...&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.kingsarms.org/"&gt;New Frontiers in Bedford&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.htb.org.uk/welcome"&gt;HTB in London&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://stpetersbrighton.org/"&gt;HTB in Brighton&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.winfam.org/"&gt;New Frontiers in Winchester&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://christchurchlondon.org/"&gt;New Frontiers in Central London&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;maybe consider&lt;a href="http://uk.alpha.org/find-a-course"&gt; finding and doing an Alpha course&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;pray while you are doing the washing up or driving and ask God to speak to you 'if he's real'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;read a bit of a gospel in the &lt;a href="http://www.esvbible.org/Luke+5/"&gt;Bible in a translation like this&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;I wouldn't have given my life to God unless he totally won me over, neither would my Mum.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;I'm going to see my Mum again in heaven.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;I'd like to be sure of seeing you there too.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;:-)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"&gt;/Tom&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-1479777324959839036?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/1479777324959839036/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=1479777324959839036' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1479777324959839036'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1479777324959839036'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2011/10/time-for-joy-time-for-tears.html' title='a time for joy, a time for tears'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-6096881352878838511</id><published>2011-08-05T11:26:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-08-05T11:27:24.675+01:00</updated><title type='text'>The object of the heart and lasting fulfillment</title><content type='html'>I was directed to this passage through a PJ Smyth lecture on the 3DL course from &lt;a href="http://godfirst.co.za/"&gt;Godfirst church.&lt;/a&gt; &amp;nbsp;The passage is written by a guy called Thomas Chalmers and has really stuck with me. &amp;nbsp;I think it offers a lot of wisdom about the human heart and how &amp;amp; where real lasting satisfaction is to be found in life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I took away from this passage:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;The only way to cast off a sinful nature is to receive a pure one.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;It is seldom that any of our sins can be made to vanish by a mere process of reasoning, mental determination, or natural extinction. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;The heart is never left without an object of worship.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;Whilst behaviour might be changed for a short time, the true object of the heart’s affections will again shape and colour everything we do&amp;nbsp; and say - as we have said earlier, from the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="s1"&gt;So Chalmers teaches us that the idolatrous object of worship must be displaced by God, and that we must actively use any legitimate means available to us to encourage our hearts to be fixated on Jesus - primarily through receiving his extravagant grace for us - our hearts, as Paul teaches us - as those reborn in Christ, we will immediately cry Abba Father, and we will know we belong to God and our hearts will be changed as we look at him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="p1"&gt;An extract from the passage itself:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"the only way to dispossess it of an old affection, is by the expulsive power of a new one … &amp;nbsp;in the Gospel do we so behold God, as that we may love God. It is there, and there only, where God stands revealed as an object of confidence to sinners and where our desire after Him is not chilled into apathy, by that barrier of human guilt which intercepts every approach that is not made to Him through the appointed Mediator. It is the bringing in of this better hope, whereby we draw nigh unto God - and to live without hope, is to live without God; and if the heart be without God, then world will then have all the ascendancy."&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Reference for the passage: Thomas Chalmers, "THE EXPULSIVE POWER OF A NEW AFFECTION | http://www.newble.co.uk/chalmers/comm9.html&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-6096881352878838511?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/6096881352878838511/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=6096881352878838511' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/6096881352878838511'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/6096881352878838511'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2011/08/object-of-heart-and-lasting-fulfillment.html' title='The object of the heart and lasting fulfillment'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-8127440369672817321</id><published>2010-12-03T11:41:00.003Z</published><updated>2010-12-03T11:50:55.461Z</updated><title type='text'>Christian culture is crazy if it's lazy</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I'm sat in a coffee shop in Winchester working. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I don't work from home much anymore&amp;nbsp; - recent contracts have declined this freedom for me, but thanks to the snow and ice here I am. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I find *I work* when I'm sat coffee shops next to my local Winchester-ites drinking fine coffee, with my headphones feeding glorious tunes into my ears.&amp;nbsp; This is the place where things click for me. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;For example you may think I'm not working at all - since I'm writing this, but I've just created a presentation in 1 hr which I wouldn't have come close to doing in 1 day in the office.&amp;nbsp; I'm happy. &amp;nbsp;I'm thinking. &amp;nbsp;I'm thinking about last night's&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;local meeting with people in our church who live in the same area, and my mind is whirring and I'm depositing this train of thought on you. &amp;nbsp;It's the only train running you know.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;If you read it, I hope you take something away from it. &amp;nbsp;If not ... I am working honestly.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"&gt;Christian culture - doesn't it drive you crazy?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; Shouldn't we all just be working out what it means to follow Jesus in our own lives in our own worlds … on our own?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;All it's insular music, festivals, books, name-dropping, conferences, in-jokes, million-pound buildings hiding us away from the community, buzz-words and bees-in-the-bonnet that seem to be living in a different world to the rest of the world - with whom we are to engage, bless, and proclaim (another one of those funny words) Jesus to!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;That's how I often hear the line go with believers who have a different vision to the status-quo, or (or have become) frustrated or disconnected from the 'movement'.&amp;nbsp; (I sympathise, I empathise, I've been there, I often come-by for a day when I've taken a wrong turning).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;But I wonder if we've just never gone far enough, corporately enough, and shaken off some of the naff stuff along-the-way. &amp;nbsp;I wonder if we've settled for stuff we didn't like because we were too lazy to keep going down this road to find the gold. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"&gt;What about a Christian culture that is obsessed&lt;/span&gt; with studying the Bible, that it moves beyond semi-motivational preaches of the same passages and quotes into setting up local centres to teach on all the big issues of the day to help believers live like Jesus did? &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;What about scary generosity that eclipses the building project (or even side-steps it), and builds local community centres that we worship in and then run for the good of the community building contact day-by-day with whoever is on our door step.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;What about moving beyond views that sometimes have more to do with protecting our own interests, into being so out-spoken on local issues and national-issues (with believers actually having a deep conviction caused by the God the Holy Spirit about these things) that local towns and cities find groups of 500 people campaigning for acts of justice, mercy, and kindness in whatever form they take on our door-step? &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;What about moving beyond just a focus on 1 'church' building and into having such a close local network that homes actually become known as 'church homes' where the Christians meet, what about these places having sections given to serving food and drink at set-times during the day for the hungry, the lonely, the local. &amp;nbsp;That would make explaining the difference between going to 'church', the 'church' (building), and being the 'church' a little easier to a 4 year old.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;What about moving beyond the once-a-year-invite-the-prophectic=speaker/well-known-worship-leader-meeting to being people who are filled with, dependent-on, and wait-until, the Holy Spirit fills-them that our relationship and perspective of who Jesus is outweighs every other consideration?&amp;nbsp; A people who have a happiness about them that cannot be stolen.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;What about it?&amp;nbsp; We'd need to adjust in so many ways, but what about a culture like that?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;I think that sounds like the church.&amp;nbsp; I think the church is the ultimate expression of the wisdom of the God here on the earth.&amp;nbsp; I want to be re-gripped by the beauty of the mercy, kindness, love, and deep-delight that the church has as she is changed as she beholds the glory of the one Holy God in the face of God revealed born in the dirt of an out-house - our hope-bringing life-changing loving Saviour … Jesus Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;We are part of a fantastic local church, with great people and leaders who serve. &amp;nbsp;This isn't an agenda from outside that, but within it. &amp;nbsp;We look like watchman on the city-wall to see where God is taking us, and praying for his kingdom to come.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-8127440369672817321?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/8127440369672817321/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=8127440369672817321' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/8127440369672817321'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/8127440369672817321'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/12/christian-culture-is-crazy.html' title='Christian culture is crazy if it&apos;s lazy'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-3970812143152439436</id><published>2010-10-29T22:25:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-10-29T22:31:43.666+01:00</updated><title type='text'>The news tonight</title><content type='html'>What does Jesus make of the news tonight?  3 yr old children dying of malaria because they don&amp;#39;t have enough to eat, whilst the west are pleased that the US economy grows by 2% as people are buying needless consumer products in high street stores.  And here I am sat living in Winchester with my beautiful and healthy family.  So much to be thankful for, and such love leads us on 'love will look you in the eye, love won't leave you here to die'&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-3970812143152439436?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/3970812143152439436/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=3970812143152439436' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3970812143152439436'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3970812143152439436'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/10/news-tonight.html' title='The news tonight'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-1164363691358017202</id><published>2010-10-18T15:10:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-10-18T15:10:48.758+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Strong enough</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px;"&gt;See me falling down ... Devil you're not gonna win&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="TextHead" style="color: black; font-family: verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="TextHead" style="color: black; font-family: verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="TextHead" style="color: black; font-family: verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Stare The Monster Down&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Text" style="color: black; font-family: verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: normal;"&gt;One thing I have pondered&lt;br /&gt;Is how the mighty fall&lt;br /&gt;I've sung the songs of heaven&lt;br /&gt;Just to lose it all&lt;br /&gt;See me falling down&lt;br /&gt;See me falling down&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another day in paradise&lt;br /&gt;Another day to die&lt;br /&gt;The writing's on the wall again&lt;br /&gt;And the future's asking why&lt;br /&gt;Why we turned away&lt;br /&gt;Why we turn away&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is there,&lt;br /&gt;Is there a place in your arms of love&lt;br /&gt;Strong enough&lt;br /&gt;Will you carry us&lt;br /&gt;Carry us through&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eighteen weeks of chemo&lt;br /&gt;Six doses of hell&lt;br /&gt;A family bucket of pills a day&lt;br /&gt;To make my father well&lt;br /&gt;Stare the monster down&lt;br /&gt;Stare the monster down&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Devil you're not gonna win&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Text" style="color: black; font-family: verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Text" style="color: black; font-family: verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px;"&gt;Written by Delirious? �2008 Curious? Music UK&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-1164363691358017202?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/1164363691358017202/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=1164363691358017202' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1164363691358017202'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1164363691358017202'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/10/strong-enough.html' title='Strong enough'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-4429804003803774084</id><published>2010-08-15T09:09:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-08-15T09:27:57.079+01:00</updated><title type='text'>the guilty and the guiltless</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Luke 23: 1-25&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;the guiltless and the guilty, the sick and the healer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;arrested, questioned, facing to the cross imminently, Pilate sends Jesus to Herod who had 'long desired to see him' because he hoped Jesus would 'perform some signs'. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;when questioned by Herod we are told that Jesus 'made no answer', so they 'treated him with contempt and mocked him'. &amp;nbsp;This act by Herod restored his friendship with Pilate.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Now both Herod and Pilate were agreed in their judgement over Jesus 'I did not find this man guilt of any charges … Look nothing deserving death has been done by him' … but the crowd kept shouting 'Crucify, crucify him'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"Because the sinless saviour died, my sinful soul is counted free For God the just is satisfied to look on him and pardon me" - Charitie Lees Smith Bancroft&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Jesus came to seek and save the lost. &amp;nbsp;He did not come for those considering themselves 'well' or already 'found', but to those who needed a doctor - the sick. &amp;nbsp;Jesus himself is guiltless, 'spotless' as Isaiah put it, and when mocked and condemned he gave no answer - again as Isaiah tells us - 'as a sheep silent before the shearers'. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;This week a friend of mine ended his life. &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://compassionwinchester.blogspot.com/"&gt;A short memory of him his here. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;Those ending their own lives are evidently those aware they are sick, but have they met the Healer? &amp;nbsp;The poor, rejected, marginalised, lonely, troubled. &amp;nbsp;Have we shown them the gospel as Jesus did? &amp;nbsp;This is what he has called &amp;nbsp;us to do -&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="woc"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;‘Go out quickly to the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in the poor and crippled and blind and lame.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="verse-num woc" id="v42014022-1" style="padding-left: 0.25em; padding-right: 0.15em; vertical-align: text-top;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woc"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;And the servant said, ‘Sir, what you commanded has been done, and still there is room.’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="verse-num woc" id="v42014023-1" style="padding-left: 0.25em; padding-right: 0.15em; vertical-align: text-top;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woc"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;And the master said to the servant, ‘Go out to the highways and hedges and compel people to come in, that my house may be filled.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woc"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;For I tell you,&amp;nbsp;none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Even shortly before his final death and already lifted up on the cross, Jesus was fulfilling this mandate by bringing grace hope and forgiveness to the guilty:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;'Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." &amp;nbsp;Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;- for whose sake did he do this? &amp;nbsp;I remind myself - 'he is so loved the world'. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;- what happened again I ask myself? 'For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;We exchanged the truth of God for a lie, he exchanged the glory of heaven for the cross.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-4429804003803774084?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/4429804003803774084/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=4429804003803774084' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4429804003803774084'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4429804003803774084'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/08/guilty-and-guiltless.html' title='the guilty and the guiltless'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-6632382107015629234</id><published>2010-08-12T12:33:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-08-12T12:33:08.733+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Leadership #1</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Luke 22 - Jesus &amp;amp; Peter&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;At a time when he was facing the cross, Jesus knew that Satan wanted to seriously screw up Simon Peter.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;His response was that at the most pressured agonising time in his life, he was giving himself in prayer for Simon Peter - that his faith would not fail, and then commissioned him with a word of knowledge - "once you have turned (back to me) again strengthen your brothers.&amp;nbsp; Amazing leadership.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="woc"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;“Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="footnote" style="padding-left: 0em; padding-right: 0.5em; vertical-align: text-top;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+22#f4" id="b4" title="The Greek word for 'you' (twice in this verse) is plural; in verse 32, all four instances are singular"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;[4]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;that he might sift you like wheat,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="verse-num woc" id="v42022032-1" style="padding-left: 0.25em; padding-right: 0.15em; vertical-align: text-top;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;32&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woc"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="verse-num" id="v42022033-1" style="padding-left: 0.25em; padding-right: 0.15em; vertical-align: text-top;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;33&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Peter&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="footnote" style="padding-left: 0em; padding-right: 0.5em; vertical-align: text-top;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+22#f5" id="b5" title="Greek 'He'"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;[5]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;said to him, “Lord, I am ready to go with you both to prison and to death.”&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="verse-num" id="v42022034-1" style="padding-left: 0.25em; padding-right: 0.15em; vertical-align: text-top;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;34&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Jesus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="footnote" style="padding-left: 0em; padding-right: 0.5em; vertical-align: text-top;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Luke+22#f6" id="b6" title="Greek 'He'"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;[6]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;said,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="woc"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;“I tell you, Peter, the rooster will not crow this day, until you deny three times that you know me.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-6632382107015629234?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/6632382107015629234/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=6632382107015629234' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/6632382107015629234'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/6632382107015629234'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/08/leadership-1.html' title='Leadership #1'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-5702856239761526434</id><published>2010-07-13T09:09:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2010-07-13T10:04:13.242+01:00</updated><title type='text'>the life of the congregation gets squeezed out</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I'm reading and so far enjoying a book called The Passion of Life: A Messianic Lifestyle by Jurgen Moltmann. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I heard his name via an theological conference hosted at Holy Trinity Brompton earlier this year. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The book is highly quotable! &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;This excerpt is actually not from Moltmann, but rather from Douglas Meeks who writes the Introduction.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I'll wait until I've read at least 50% of the book before I comment, but this passage in particular strikes home.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"What we in Europe and North America glibly call 'congregations' often have no resemblance to what the reformation originally envisioned as the congregated people of God.&amp;nbsp; During the last 450 years the Protestant churches have nearly destroyed one of the principal realities at which the Reformation was aiming, namely the congregation.&amp;nbsp; There is nothing wrong in principle with structures, organisation, authority, and offices in the church.&amp;nbsp; They are all necessary.&amp;nbsp; What is wrong is the way in which all of these have come to be understood and practiced in an over- clericized, authoritarian, and statically structured church.&amp;nbsp; The problem with such a&amp;nbsp; church is that the life of the congregation gets squeezed out. When the vitality of the congregation atrophies and disappears the church becomes nothing but an empty shell and there is nothing to embody and bear the liberating mission of God in this world."&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;(M. Douglas Meeks, in the Introduction to Moltmann's The Passion of Life: A Messianic Lifestyle).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I'm also reading Rawls: 'Justice as Fairness: a restatement', courtesy of Google Books. &amp;nbsp;Anyone read any Rawls before? &amp;nbsp;Interested in learning more about some of the underlying values and principles that shape the debate.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-5702856239761526434?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/5702856239761526434/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=5702856239761526434' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/5702856239761526434'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/5702856239761526434'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/07/life-of-congregation-gets-squeezed-out.html' title='the life of the congregation gets squeezed out'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-2655753995717865668</id><published>2010-07-06T19:18:00.005+01:00</published><updated>2010-07-06T20:03:37.214+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Called</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I recently posted this facebook status udpate:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"had long chat with Marianne last night about how to respond to Calling, time, finances, if you have any wisdom please get in touch!"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;a friend and elder who used to live in Bristol replied "Go on ..."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;So on my train home today, I did go on, and the text below is what I went onto. &amp;nbsp;This is as much for me trying to get my head clear as it is for anyone else.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I feel called. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;When I was 12 years old, sat on the floor in a worship time over a weekend youth camp type thing, and I told my youth leader that God told me he was sending revival.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;When another leader approached me and asked for more information about the prophecy God has given me I had no idea what he was talking about - I had never heard of 'prophecy'.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;When I was 13 years old, I climbed the steps of a baptismal pool, in which I was to be baptised.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;As I stepped down, stood between 2 elders, for the first time in my life I felt suddenly overwhelmed by the love of God as I felt his love and approval almost literally flooding me - I recall that along with this awareness came 2 things, I began to weep and I sensed the presence and intimacy with God as my Father on a level I had never known previously.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;When I was 16 years old, I was stood in our church building on a Sunday evening, it was the season of the 'Toronto' blessing.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Shortly into the worship time I began to experience a sense of tremendous power on me, my body began to almost hum with electricity, I recall my feet involuntary shuffling around.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;As I stood in what was a new sense of power and intimacy with my Father in heaven, one the elders stood on the stage pointed at me, and said "Tom Foster - you are called to be a prophet to this nation!"&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Subsequent words were then given to me from others, most notably the captain of our football team in which I played, a wonderful and prophetically gifted man named Morgan Lewis, then shared Jeremiah 1 with me and said he felt God had called me to be an iron pillar to stand in this nation.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Finally I was stood waiting for a bus a hundred metres from my parents house I very clearly felt God speak to me - 'Tom, I have called you to be a messenger for me'.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;It has stuck.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;These are some of the words I have received over the years.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;At 18 years old I went to university and focussed on my studies, learned lessons of life in living away from home and began dating and later at 20 years old, married my wife Marianne.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Looking back I felt my 20's have been a time of being a husband and father, applying myself to work, serving in the church, and learning some tough lessons about humility, service, love, and realising I really am "…empty handed but alive in his hands".&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;At least 4 years of my 20's have for me been a clear 'Joseph' kind of time in which I made horrible mistakes and learned to ponder and pray over dreams rather than immediately speak them.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;It's been painful!&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;I have served in worship leading 400 people, and then led none.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;I have begun to preach on a rota in my local church, and then preached once in 6 years in our new church.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;The last 3 years of my 20's I feel have been mostly about loving my wife and serving our family.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Learning and living in Ephesians 5 - a passage which was burned on my heart by the Holy Spirit during our wedding day, has been my greatest lesson and joy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The last 18 months have begun to feel like a wake-up time for me.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Reflection and conviction in what God has called me to be in terms of his church, the prophetic and intercession.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;This has begun to weigh on me with almost equal measure of joy and uncomfortableness.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;In my self I am beginning to sense that I need to make time for what God has called me to be and to do.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;I find the prophetic gift in me most stirred when I study his word and read books, and pray - what I would call a 'sense of a message' is fairly quickly changed, when I give myself to prayer and study, into a burden of a message that I sense I have been equipped to speak into God's people.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;The dreams and visions come more often in this place.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Over the last 18 months I have also been awakened in the political aspects of our country through a series of divinely opened up situations which are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/03/what-day-to-walk-with-jesus_16.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;summarised here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; - but again I feel a passion and hunger to consider these in prayer and study and preaching.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;I also want to see the local church equipped to move in greater prophetic gifting, with less elitism and more 'body'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The heritage God has given me through my parents is primarily a vision for a Godly marriage, God-centred family, to be a Holy Spirit filled pople and fed on God's word ...&amp;nbsp;to be a New Testament people that live by faith and change the world by being a people confirmed to the image of Jesus, living unashamed with integrity, always dependent on and looking to God.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;It is a hunger to be God's people and shine to the world.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;To me it seems clear that there is now a second generation of believers who must refuse the trappings of religion, and again claim back the path of abandon and extravagance in our relationship with God and then one-another.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;It is this context of the world and the church, which I feel drawn to be obedient to the calling I feel God has given me - and with it a realistic and practical re-evaluation of how I spend my time, money, and the house in which I live, in order to submit myself to God and this vision.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I sense a growing gift of leadership in me, but a very different way of thinking than i had 10 years ago about that gift.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Responding to a prophetic word I felt God bring to me I now help lead a Soup Service to the homeless in Winchester but am surrounded by an amazing team - I have no desire to lead this team long term - but with that lack of desire to lead the team I also a sense of personal relief that I am responding to responsibility a bit differently than I remember doing in years past!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; min-height: 14px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;How do I support my wife and my family?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Working 3 or 4 days per week will pay less than working 5! &amp;nbsp;Will it pay the bills?&amp;nbsp;This is perhaps the greatest challenge to my thinking on how I respond. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;As a father of 3 sons, I am so happy!&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;They are wonderful, they are challenging.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;I have said to Marianne more than once that I never hear God as quickly and as clearly as I do when I pray for my sons.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Providing for and loving my wife is another joy.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Before we married I remember saying to a friend how much I looked forward to providing for my wife.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;He didn't really get it then .. and on one level neither did I - it is even more of a pleasure than I had imagined.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;When I speak of my feelings at the moment to friends regarding the sense of calling I feel from God, they can looked almost disturbed.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;They remind me that I have a young family to which I must give my time and money and love.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;I agree with all that they say.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;When I talk to Marianne about all this she too reminds me of our young family and then smiles and speaks of how many others long for God in our city and how the gifts God has given me are ones by which people in Winchester would be blessed.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;She is a conservative and an antagonist at the same time.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I need God's grace to know how to step forward.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-2655753995717865668?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/2655753995717865668/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=2655753995717865668' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/2655753995717865668'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/2655753995717865668'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/07/called.html' title='Called'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-4877114305215503401</id><published>2010-06-01T00:03:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-06-01T00:03:21.802+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Leadership</title><content type='html'>Interesting quote from Driscoll  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"In the church, elders, members, deacons are equal but the elders are supposed to lead. In a community group, everybody's equal, but the community group leader is supposed to lead."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(http://theresurgence.com/series/11-leadership-lessons-from-12-disciples)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not sure, with my understanding of it, that I agree that eldership denotes leadership on the level Driscoll suggests here (how does this relate to Ephesians 4 gifts and team model).  I also think that in 'community group' the role of leader is theoretically very different to that of the leader of a group using the 'cell' church model, yet I know of several examples where the church has drifted from one model to the other without any recognition, re-training, or change of personnel reflecting the different kinds of leader and necessary skills required to support these models.  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-4877114305215503401?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/4877114305215503401/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=4877114305215503401' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4877114305215503401'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4877114305215503401'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/06/leadership.html' title='Leadership'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-1683435028676620672</id><published>2010-05-05T21:20:00.007+01:00</published><updated>2010-05-06T16:35:23.701+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Run don't Plod, the presence of God leads his people on</title><content type='html'>&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Dear friends of mine have tweeted that this article is great.  I cannot agree.  I must respond.  Other friends read my original response and said they have read the article in different ways with different meanings.  For the sake of my respect for them, and my desire to not be unhelpful, I have 'toned' this down a bit.  But reading again today, I am still putting it up the amended version (for the 6 readers who come here).  God please help us.  God please help me.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/glory-plodding/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;This is one of the most concerning blog entries I have read.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;  I do not know the author, none of this is intended as comment on him, only what I have read and the approval my friends have placed upon it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;It’s sexy among young people — my generation — to talk about ditching institutional religion and starting a revolution of real Christ-followers living in real community without the confines of church. Besides being unbiblical, such notions of churchless Christianity are unrealistic. It’s immaturity actually,"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I greatly dislike institution and religion, it's control and it's spirit of authoritarian manipulation reap a very different fruit to that of a grace filled body of Jesus here on earth.  Institution and religion is alien to almost everything I have experienced as a Christian in a local church born of love, grace, faith, vision, and daily discipleship.  But this opening of the article seems to approve of it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia;  min-height: 16.0pxcolor:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I love Jesus and want to follow him.  He changes everything.  I want to be a Jesus follower a heck of a lot more than a member of an institution!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia;  min-height: 16.0pxcolor:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The comment on community again confuses and concerns me.  There is no other way to live as a follower of Jesus than in a community - so what are the confines of the church to which he refers?   What is his biblical frame of reference for this?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia;  min-height: 16.0pxcolor:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;There is much in this article I can agree with - the daily walk with God, the absolute commitment to God's local church, a biblical vision of God building his church and us serving in it, the resistance to rely only on emotion and be people of action, truth, and God-centred obedience.  Yet I personally sense an underlying tone here that suggests something very very far away from what reflects my reading of scripture and experience as a Christian.  It smells more than a little to me of control and manipulation.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia;  min-height: 16.0pxcolor:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I can enjoy some of this:  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"Daily discipleship is not a new revolution each morning or an agent of global transformation every evening; it’s a long obedience in the same direction." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;but the position that this life is not about revolution suggests we should all drop our expectations a bit and get on with the drudgery of daily life as a Christian. Where, I then ask myself, is the understanding of the fallen heart born again - surely this is indeed a global transformation each day?  That we live by the same power that raised Christ from the dead.  It is a daily wonder, a daily miracle, each day to depend on the mercy of God.   We must not forget his benefits, his life, his mercies everyday - what a mystery.   If we forget this, we have no reason to rise and pray, we have reduced the mystery hid for the ages to a the same level as buying 'the same groceries at the store'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia;  min-height: 16.0pxcolor:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;of this ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 9.0px 0.0px; line-height: 23.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color: #3c3c3c"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"It’s possible the church needs to change. Certainly in some areas it does. But it’s also possible we’ve changed — and not for the better."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I am looking please to understand how the 'we've' and the 'church' are here described as separate entities.  Does he refer to the established church independent of it's members?   I believe history and scripture lays plain great dangers ahead on this road.  To take our eyes of Jesus who inflames expectation which permeates the mundane.  Are we now overlooking this? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia;  min-height: 16.0pxcolor:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I am honestly lost for words at generalisations such as this:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"My generation in particular is prone to radicalism without followthrough. We have dreams of changing the world, and the world should take notice accordingly. But we’ve not proved faithful in much of anything yet. We haven’t held a steady job or raised godly kids or done our time in VBS or, in some cases, even moved off the parental dole. We want global change and expect a few more dollars to the ONE campaign or Habitat for Humanity chapter to just about wrap things up."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;For whom does he speak?   I am not claiming my generation has changed the world.  Indeed, there is a great weight many of us are feeling to see our generation honour God, love him, and be used to bring glory to his name.  But I am disturbed by this kind of approach - to what end will the advance of God's kingdom, by the presence of the Holy Spirit with the wonderfully life bringing radical agenda of Jesus, be focussed by this kind of statement?  Scripture leads us to look to Jesus, lift our eyes.  I ask then, living in daily obedience, to see if you can resist the urge to speak, to sense the presence of the Spirit begin to work through you and confront, challenge, love, serve, and advance the kingdom of God!   Revival is coming, the first fruits are beginning to be seen, culture is being changed, initiatives are being born, the name of Jesus is being heard and felt.   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; color:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Why do my peers unquestionably recommend this article?  What are the people in the churches they lead to take from their recommendation?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia;  min-height: 16.0pxcolor:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p color="#3c3c3c" style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;If you accept and advocate unquestionably this article without any caution, then  it seems to me that you should refrain from reading the Psalms to your people, not speak of the history of the people of faith who by their God saw nations changed, do not speak on Gideon or Caleb, or read Acts, do not read any N.T Wright, do not dwell on the great commission, do not read Isaiah 61, and certainly don't pause for a moment in your meeting unless the Spirit of God begin to speak through the body and remind us all that we serve the Living God!  If you do not remind them of these things, they may well settle in, "become part of the crowd", put up their feet, let you offer the service, pay the wages, and use the lingo.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Georgia;  min-height: 16.0pxcolor:#3c3c3c;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-1683435028676620672?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/1683435028676620672/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=1683435028676620672' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1683435028676620672'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1683435028676620672'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/05/run-dont-plod-presence-of-god-leads-his.html' title='Run don&apos;t Plod, the presence of God leads his people on'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-7658878504441898584</id><published>2010-05-05T16:14:00.021+01:00</published><updated>2010-05-05T17:35:52.485+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Shine don't shout!</title><content type='html'>&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;This week it is the task of all good Christian bloggers to post a comment on the Philippa Stroud discussion kicked off by&lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/02/conservatives-philippa-stroud-gay-cure"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#551b8b;"&gt; this Guardian article&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  Here is mine&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;For readers who want intelligent comment the following blog articles are better than mine:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'; color:#1032ee;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline"&gt;&lt;a href="http://esitlo.blogspot.com/2010/05/that-observer-article.html"&gt;Stevie Smith&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'; color:#551b8b;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline"&gt;&lt;a href="http://alshaw.blogspot.com/2010/05/observer-and-mrs-stroud.html"&gt;Al Shaw:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'; color:#551b8b;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline"&gt;&lt;a href="http://matthewhosier.blogspot.com/2010/05/e-day-1.html"&gt;Matthew Hosier&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;I began to comment on Steve's article and found I had stopped commenting on his words and started offering my own comments, which is a bit rude and unnecessary given how good his article is.  So my few words are below.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;--------------------------------------------------&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;I read nothing in the original article which I felt was factually incorrect, but the word 'cure' was obviously value laden, invested with meaning, shaped the tone of subsequent discussion, and intended to cause alarm, and it did.  &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 16.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;We need a cure if something has gone wrong and needs to be fixed.  Is this interpretation of the word unbiblical in this instance? I don't think so, Romans 1 tells me that this is simply wrong in people having sex with those of the same sex. In fact Genesis 3 tells me that we all need a cure.  So we need clarification on the terms if 'cure' is an unhelpful term.  We also need to find out how to put some context on the discussion - issues of identity deserve a lot more thought and comment than I have given above.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  ;font-family:Georgia, serif;font-size:16px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;If 'cure' is a word which doesn't really reflect the stance we want to take on this issue, then what does?  Philippa makes no response on this.  If she had, the issue would have got much much bigger.  I am praying for her to walk in God's love and receive wisdom in these things.  I don't envy her the challenge of articulating belief in way which isn't manipulated by the media - they are very good at manipulation! &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;What this situation more importantly did, it seems to me, was to put many believers on the back-foot in what we think and how we articulate it.  &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;Many believers suddenly became aware that on a highly sensitive issue we were really very at odds with the prevailing acceptable view, and then weren't quite sure how to say what we believe without casting ourselves as horrible loveless nutters.  Many of us have gay friends, so how do we then articulate a biblical perspective on homosexuality whether someone is in a relationship or not?  &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;Yet it is beyond a single issue - already a bit unsteady on our feet Philippa's trail blazing has got us into even more trouble!  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;Opinions are not left back at home in the local church, she is inevitably taking them with her - to be worked out differently of course, but nevertheless they are there and they will influence decisions.  Horah we shout - 'we are being salt and light', 'Foul' cry many others - they are imposing their horribly offensive views upon us and infringing our rights.  (If you cannot continue a tradition of &lt;a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1271532/Thou-shalt-pray-Atheists-bid-ban-prayers-council-meetings--breach-human-rights-non-believers.html"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline ; color:#551b8b;"&gt;prayer in council meetings&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;,* do believers really expect to articulate views on this in public without arousing a great response?)  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;By her very presence in politics, she is provoking another question - what is the role of the belief in the context of the state based policy making, what is the role of the church in the state?  Do we have a theology for the Church &amp;amp; Society? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;Rather than cry 'foul' and 'hate' I hope we find courage (and time) to form and articulate an honest biblical view which speaks the truth about the world - so we *really* know God (in part by our bibles which I don't believe many of us do particularly well).  Less of Hillsongs, a bit more of J.I. Packer* ;-) &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;In doing so, I hope we remember that alongside words, that it is by our conduct with one another that the world will know who we will belong to, through a community - a family - which welcomes the least, seeks out and welcomes inquiring unbelievers, and is unwilling to recant when confronted by even greater forces than 1 article in the Guardian.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;The age of the professional ministry is going.  As beliefs become more and more unpalatable to our culture, those who say they follow Jesus will be pressed on all sides - the questions will be posed at us all not only leaders.  We all must have real substantial meaty faith - faith that comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.  Brothers we are not professionals, we &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; must look to the living God to give us strength and courage to shine not shout.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 16.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Lucida Grande'"&gt;* I like much Hillsongs music, and only occasionally read the Daily Mail when staying at my parents' house.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-7658878504441898584?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/7658878504441898584/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=7658878504441898584' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7658878504441898584'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7658878504441898584'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/05/shine-dont-shout.html' title='Shine don&apos;t shout!'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-773425160117269362</id><published>2010-05-04T15:35:00.004+01:00</published><updated>2010-05-04T15:58:03.707+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Just what the Doctor ordered</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Honestly, I was looking for a Lloyd-Jones sermon on the righteousness of Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These last few weeks have been a murky affair for my thought process as I've read and engaged with politics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, I don't regret that - I do want to engage with politics, but only as I submit to Christ.  One without the other is absolute disaster for my family, my sleep, and my daily happiness in knowing Jesus.  But as long as I try to engage with politics and don't submit to Jesus, then it all gets rather horrible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One more thing (long pre-blog bit nearly done) - I do feel God has led me to engage with politics and previous blogs can bear witness to that ... and the fact that I am learning that political engagement can take many forms, some of them less likely to win Christian-in-politic-badges than others... anyway there we have it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So there I am reading my Lloyd-Jones sermon, feeling a bit more in the zone, remembering and dwelling on the character of Jesus, the character of his body on earth (his church), and I am hit upon without request by the good Doctor making suggestions on political engagement, and very much I enjoyed them.  A long excerpt here for those with a few minutes - the url for those with 10 minutes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;"The Apostle says that in this way he has been prepared and equipped and called in order that he might preach among the Gentiles ‘the unsearchable riches of Christ’. What a phrase! what a profound, what a sublime statement! But it is also a statement that tests us and examines us. I do not hesitate to assert that the test of all preaching is its conformity to this definition of the message, and to this standard. The business of any man who claims to have been called to be a minister of the gospel is to preach ‘the unsearchable riches of Christ’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let us look at this task and calling of the minister, first of all negatively. He is not simply to preach about current events. There are those who would criticize the spending of our time Sunday by Sunday in this examination of Ephesians 3, because of the world situation and the many pressing international, political, industrial and economic problems. They feel that preaching, to be relevant, should deal directly with such matters. But is that the business of the Christian minister? Is it his business to express his view as to what the Government should have done last week or what it&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;should not have done? Is it the business of the Church to be sending perpetual resolutions to governments and statesmen, and proffering their detailed advice on many specific issues? My answer is that I do not claim that I know any more about the international situation than any other church member. I do not have all the facts before me; so for me to express an opinion would be an impertinence. I have my views, as we all have, but I am in no position to stand and address a company of Christian people as to whether I think the Government has acted rightly or wrongly. That, I repeat, is not the primary business of the Christian minister. And I have a feeling that it is because the Church has so often done that kind of thing that not only is the Church as she is, but the world is as it is today. There is very powerful evidence to suggest that it was the action of the ‘Church’, and certain people in the Church in particular in the 1930s, that directly led to the war of 1939-1945. An impression was given to Hitler and others in Germany that his country had gone completely pacifist and would on no account engage in another war. It is dangerous for ministers, whether their position in the Church be exalted or otherwise, to express their opinions on these matters. The Christian minister is called to preach ‘the unsearchable riches of Christ’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But again, it is not the business of the Christian Church to preach patriotism. It has often done so. The Church has often been nothing but a recruiting agency, a recruiting station in times of war. That is a travesty of the Christian ministry. The world was in great trouble when Paul wrote these things; the world has always been in trouble; but the peculiar business and task of the Church and its ministers is to do what the Apostle tells us here. Far too often Christian ministers have been nothing but some kind of Court Chaplain, mouthing vague generalities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Neither is it the business of preaching simply to preach and to inculcate a general public morality or some general ethic. There has been much of this during the last hundred years, and the ministry has become less and less prophetic. Christianity has become more and more diluted and consequently ineffective. The business of Christianity is not to produce ‘perfect little gentlemen’. The world can preach morality and ethics, and it has done so in various ways. The philosophers can do so and have done so. The Jews of the first century A.D. were teaching morality; and the pagan philosophers had been preaching morality before Paul was ever called into the ministry. But Paul was called to preach ‘the unsearchable riches of Christ’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet further, the business of the preacher of the gospel is not merely to preach religion. Not even religion! Not even godliness in general! Judaism had been preaching the importance of religion and the vital importance of godliness. Let me go further. It is not the primary business of the preacher of the gospel even to tell people to pray and to conform to certain standards and to discipline themselves. Mohammedanism does that, and does so very effectively indeed. It preaches a very stern discipline. It preaches a worship of God. But that is not Christianity. In a sense you can have godliness without Christianity. It is a false godliness, I know, but it is a kind of godliness. Likewise you can have religion, and be very zealous in it. But that is not what Paul had been called to preach. He had been doing all that as a Pharisee.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I go one step further; it is not the primary business of Christian ministers to teach and to preach even the teaching of Christ with regard to certain specific matters. There are men who seem to reduce ‘the unsearchable riches of Christ’ to nothing more than pacifism. They preach it every Sunday: war is the absolute sin, and if we only&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;behaved in a nice way to other people, and refused to fight about anything we would be much happier. To them that is the sum total of Christianity. All these things fall hopelessly short of this great wondrous definition of the gospel which is given here by the Apostle. Think of all the pompous pronouncements upon the international situation which are made by ministers Sunday by Sunday. Where do ‘the unsearchable riches of Christ’ come in? Think of all the ethical moral appeals, and appeals in the name of the country so regularly repeated. Where does Christ and His unsearchable riches come into it all? It is a travesty of the gospel; it is a waste of time. It is an abnegation of the duty and the task given to us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What then does Paul preach? What are we to preach? Primarily and essentially, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. The riches are ‘the unsearchable riches of Christ’! The essence of the gospel is Christ and what He gives to us. Not what we do, not what He asks us to do. That comes later. The obvious beginning and essence of the gospel is what He gives us, what we receive from Him. Paul is thrilled at the very thought of this. He says in effect: I was given this great privilege of coming to you, and I have given you the good news, the marvellous and thrilling good news concerning the riches of Christ, what Christ has given to you, and what He can, and what He will give to you, ‘the unsearchable riches of Christ’. The first message, then, is about the gift of God, before there is any call to us to do anything."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.the-highway.com/articleOct07.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Click here for the full sermon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-773425160117269362?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/773425160117269362/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=773425160117269362' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/773425160117269362'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/773425160117269362'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/05/just-what-doctor-ordered.html' title='Just what the Doctor ordered'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-3256764076415662597</id><published>2010-04-22T17:24:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-22T17:29:28.976+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Bonhoeffer - Life Together</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Just read this on the Amazon site.  Contained within a review of Bonhoefgfer's book 'Life Together'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"In Bonhoeffer's words, `Christian community means community through Jesus Christ and in Jesus Christ. There is no Christian community that is more than this, and none that is less than this...Christian community is solely this. We belong to one another only through and in Jesus Christ.' He explains this statement with three points:&lt;br /&gt;1. `Christians are persons who no longer seek their salvation, their deliverance, their justification in themselves, but in Jesus Christ alone.'&lt;br /&gt;2. `A Christian comes to others only through Jesus Christ. Among human beings there is strife. "He is our peace" (Ephesians 2:14)'&lt;br /&gt;3. `When God's Son took on flesh, he truly and bodily, out of pure grace, took on our being, our nature, ourselves. This was the eternal decree of the triune God. Now we are in him."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;and this&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"The chapter on 'Confession and the Lord's Supper' may be surprising to American protestants, as it recommends something very close to the Catholic sacrament of confession. `Confession in the presence of another believer is the most profound kind of humiliation. It hurts, makes one feel small; it deals a terrible blow to one's pride....but our community with Jesus Christ shatters all pride. We cannot find the cross of Jesus if we are afraid of go in to the place where Jesus can be found, to the public death of the sinner.'"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I think I need to read this book.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-3256764076415662597?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/3256764076415662597/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=3256764076415662597' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3256764076415662597'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3256764076415662597'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/04/bonhoeffer-life-together.html' title='Bonhoeffer - Life Together'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-9212970609784225693</id><published>2010-04-22T08:52:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-22T10:10:01.607+01:00</updated><title type='text'>the vestibule area</title><content type='html'>I opened my computer this morning, and it gave me no answers,&lt;br&gt;I read the blogs, the twitter feeds, my mails, and my DM's, &lt;br&gt;but they offered no life,&lt;br&gt;so I'm sat on the floor against the toilet door in the vestibule area looking for life&lt;br&gt;contrite in strife, oh I wish I was, but it's strife that finds me in disarray.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;there's nothing left to do but pray&lt;br&gt;and the old truths say&lt;br&gt;until my help comes&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-9212970609784225693?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/9212970609784225693/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=9212970609784225693' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/9212970609784225693'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/9212970609784225693'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/04/vestibule-area.html' title='the vestibule area'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-7435497901912606452</id><published>2010-04-20T15:15:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-20T15:16:01.847+01:00</updated><title type='text'>He doesn't change.  I say it to myself again, he doesn't change</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;following the previous post, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I'm listening to some older albums today - including the Cutting Edge stuff. It's good for me to remind myself of God's faithfulness in our past, and remember how that felt, the intimacy, the happiness, the lightness.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;He doesn't change. I say it to myself again, he doesn't change. His love remains, he is still the rock, abounding in love, showing grace to the humble. He remains. Houses may come houses may go, jobs go up and down, my attention be diverted by doing rather than being. But he remains. He remains my Father in heaven, Jesus remains my saviour and Captain of the Army, the Holy Spirit remains bringing a revelation of holiness, beauty and power. He remains and his kingdom is advancing. He remains, he always remains. What a friend I have found.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;This song is a good song for a time like this ....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;"I'm shaken up I'm fallen down&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I'm feeling like the rug's been pulled&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Beneath my feet there's shifting ground&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I'm reaching out I need Your hand&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I'm waiting here in my living room&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I'll play for You and I'll yell like a madman&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Come sing to me like a father would&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;And still my heart with Your melodies&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I'm calling out to You&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Embrace me again&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I'm crying out to You&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Come meet me again&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I'll suffocate won't You let me out&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I'm asking You where's the treasure now&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Oh You have my heart, only You can know&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I'm searching more now than I've ever searched before"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-7435497901912606452?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/7435497901912606452/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=7435497901912606452' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7435497901912606452'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7435497901912606452'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/04/he-doesnt-change-i-say-it-to-myself.html' title='He doesn&apos;t change.  I say it to myself again, he doesn&apos;t change'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-7536102336598574178</id><published>2010-04-20T09:25:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-20T09:27:06.579+01:00</updated><title type='text'>busy going bust</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" ;font-size:12px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;busy going bust.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;There has been quite a bit on in the last few months - planning for future of soup service, handing some things over to others in the team, creating a forum for other ideas to be discussed, leading a new small group, planning a training day in the Summer for the church on serving the poor, thinking about leading worship again for the first time in 6 years, organising and meeting up with friends to discuss politics &amp;amp; society &amp;amp; the church, meeting and running a workshop with a Theological think tank, and doing the day job ... I'm a bit a done-in I think.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;My bible reading has lapsed, my prayer time has run dry, my family been ill.  I have become too occupied with doing, and let the love and joy be squeezed out.  Tempers fray, sadness creeps in, dreams become fraught.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I'm not quite sure how, but I need to find myself in God again.  Enjoy his presence without rushing on, spend some time in the word and feed.  I feel a deep cry in me to be with my father again and a lingering thought that he still loves me even though I've wandered off yet again.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;As one of Martin Smith's most beautiful songs says ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"When all around has fallen, your castle has been burned, you used to be a king here, now no one knows your name, Come, come, lay your weary head, be still my friend, come rise with me."  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;and another says ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;" ... and I love to be found in you, and I love to be one with you."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Lord Jesus, you are the Lord of all the earth, and the Lord of my heart, please help me, please draw me to your side again.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-7536102336598574178?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/7536102336598574178/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=7536102336598574178' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7536102336598574178'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7536102336598574178'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/04/busy-going-bust.html' title='busy going bust'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-4184384327669311370</id><published>2010-03-16T16:17:00.002Z</published><updated>2010-03-23T12:33:14.265Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics'/><title type='text'>what a day to walk with Jesus</title><content type='html'>About 3 weeks ago I finally met an old friend who I hadn't seen for about 12 years.  &lt;p&gt;We had been discussing the idea of getting together for about 3 years, and despite working in the same city we had not managed to take things further than email.  So it was lovely to find myself sat down with him over lunch catching up.  He now works in the House of Commons for the Labour party as a senior parliamentary adviser, looking to become a PPC.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I had initially been prompted to make contact with Matt a few years ago, as I had started to become more interested in politics, social justice, and the church, and I knew Matt worked in 'politics'.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Over those 3 years, I had done a lot of thinking, some reading, and started with a few practical actions gaining a Postgrad Cert in Social Science, setting up a soup service, volunteering at a local drop-in centre, and writing proposals for a few different initiatives  - the soup proposal being the one gaining the most traction in our church.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So over lunch we were not only reminiscing about the last 12 years, but talking in an animated fashion about our common interests and the near future.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Matt is an exceptionally clever guy, although this can be slightly disguised since he is kinder than he is clever.  It was wonderful to be with him, and ask a variety of questions about the reality of engaging with the world as a follower of Jesus.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Having met Matt at 12.30 for what we planned to be just a lunchtime appointment, the hours passed as we talked, ate, listened to debate in the Commons, and finally sat down in the Atrium for a coffee.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Taking a call on his phone he informed me that a friend of his ('a Tory - but a good Tory') would be joining us.  His friend approached, and Mat introduced to me to 'Dom' as 'Tom' - an old friend from Brighton.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We looked at each other, Dom spoke first ' not Tom Foster'.  I replied 'yes', then remembered the email I received the previous week from a mutual friend who had invited me to a conference in Bedford taking place in a weeks time.  I recalled Dom's name from the email.   A fortnight after I had met Dom, I will be spending 2 days with him at a prophetic training conference in Bedford.  How cool is that?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;On Fridays I try and work from home, and last Friday was no exception.  At lunchtime, I made my way to pop into our church's Friday lunchtime cafe where I sometimes meet guests from our Thursday night soup service for a game of draughts and a chat.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As I neared the door of the church a man approached me ' Are you Tom?'.   I confirmed his suspicions.   He introduced himself as 'Ian' - the surname rang a bell, and he told me that he recognised me from Brighton (although I didn't really remember him).  We  talked about mutual friends, and he even remembered the name of my girlfriend (now my wife of over 10 years).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;He came into the church for a coffee and we began to chat more freely.   Ian was visiting Winchester for a job role in Birmingham.  What are the odds?  I'm tempted to throw in a political joke here to look clever but I restrain myself.   As he spoke I couldn't help laughing - Ian couldn't stop speaking about politics, social justice, lobbying, the church, and following Jesus.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ian, spoke about his passion for politics and the church.  8 years previously he had stood as a PPC in London, an active member of the Labour Party.  He spoke about the church lobbying parliament, and engaging with the issues of the age.   It turned out that Matt (my friend from London), was a great friend of his.  Dave, a friend and elder at our churh joined us, and we spent an hour talking about politics, social justice, and incarnational church.  How cool is that?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Today, I found myself with another colleague, a Christian who goes by the name of Toby, sat in a very positive chat with the Director of Theos - a public theological think tank with a focus on offering research and advice to those in Government on matters of the Christian faith and its relationship to how we live. This was an opening made possible by the fact Paul is a friend of Matt, the 25 years digital communications experience between Toby and myself, and the unintentionally exquisite timing of an email I had sent to Paul asking if we might be of help to Theos.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Looking back, Matt has a been a consistent link in my story!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The meeting went very well, and we are now forming our response to an invitation to run an initial workshop with the team, interview some users, and offer a proposal on how to respond.  How cool is that?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is a new day.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What a day to walk with Jesus.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-4184384327669311370?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/4184384327669311370/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=4184384327669311370' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4184384327669311370'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4184384327669311370'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/03/what-day-to-walk-with-jesus_16.html' title='what a day to walk with Jesus'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-2088872728379918324</id><published>2010-03-15T16:17:00.000Z</published><updated>2010-03-15T16:12:20.060Z</updated><title type='text'>exploring 'set-apart'</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; line-height: 22px; "&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;do we live like a trader getting rich by peddling the wealth of a country to which he&amp;nbsp;doesn't belong.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;or&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;do we live in the land, to the good of the land, invoking a&amp;nbsp;governance foreign to the land bought at great cost to redeem the land,&amp;nbsp;with diligence to care, tend, grow, and love?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px;"&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-2088872728379918324?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/2088872728379918324/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=2088872728379918324' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/2088872728379918324'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/2088872728379918324'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/03/exploring-set-apart.html' title='exploring &apos;set-apart&apos;'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-1644974941311064660</id><published>2010-03-15T11:42:00.000Z</published><updated>2010-03-15T11:36:19.306Z</updated><title type='text'>Notes from a preach - God of the Second chance</title><content type='html'>Just reading my notesade on Sunday whilst listening to John Groves  &lt;br&gt;preach.  A fantastic preach, God gives second, third, and fourth  &lt;br&gt;chances if we will only humble ourselves.&lt;p&gt;Something is really changing at Wincheater Family Church.  The  &lt;br&gt;presence of God in our meetings recently has been apprehending.&lt;p&gt;Notes below might offer some encouragement, but bette still - download  &lt;br&gt;the preach from the Winfam.org website!&lt;p&gt;1 kings 21&lt;br&gt;14/03/10&lt;p&gt;Elijah&lt;p&gt;Had a big moment on the mountain about 5 years previously.  The people  &lt;br&gt;didn&amp;#39;t change.  He gets very depressed, suicidal at one point.  But  &lt;br&gt;here we find him restored.&lt;p&gt;Clean, filled and ready for service.&lt;p&gt;Vs 17 and 18 - Then the word comes again to get up and go.&lt;p&gt;Ahab&lt;p&gt;Is confronted by truth by Elijah, and given an opportunity to repent.   &lt;br&gt;This truth brings the opportunity to bring hope and change.&lt;p&gt;Luke 24: 46-47 - we are all sinners.&lt;p&gt;The gospel states the truth of the situation and then brings hope.   &lt;br&gt;Hope!&lt;p&gt;The gospel is not the problem, the bible is not the problem, the enemy  &lt;br&gt;is the problem lying that there is no problem - the deception of the  &lt;br&gt;age. The broad road leads to destruction.&lt;p&gt;The truth is that God will judge all, but gave his Son.&lt;p&gt;God gives Ahab a second chance.  Ahab - a terrible man.  This is  &lt;br&gt;almost unbelievable.  Grace is offensive.  God surely is nieve!  Vs  &lt;br&gt;27-29.  Ahab seems to humble himself and God loves humility.&lt;p&gt;Get humble and be lifted up.  Not fair.  Offensive.  This is grace,  &lt;br&gt;this is God&amp;#39;s dealing with people.&lt;p&gt;Rev 3:19-20. God is knocking to come in and eat with us - God is a God  &lt;br&gt;of mercy and grace.&lt;p&gt;The End.&lt;p&gt;Sent from my iPhone&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-1644974941311064660?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/1644974941311064660/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=1644974941311064660' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1644974941311064660'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1644974941311064660'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/03/notes-from-preach-god-of-second-chance.html' title='Notes from a preach - God of the Second chance'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-6166706153391553379</id><published>2010-03-03T10:40:00.002Z</published><updated>2010-03-03T10:43:45.548Z</updated><title type='text'>Noel Piper article</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Marianne sent this article to me last week - I just got around to reading it this morning.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;It's very helpful, and includes a number of the themes of discussion that Marianne and I have had over the last 6 years as we have considered how to approach Sunday mornings with the boys.  Noel's article has given me more food for thought, and some immediate actions - like finding out the likely text for the Sunday sermon and reading it to the boys during the week.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here is the article in full - credits and requirements for sharing the article are at the bottom:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Arial; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span style="font: 12.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The Family: Together in God's Presence&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; font: 10.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;By John and Noël Piper &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;God-centered worship is supremely important in the life of our church. We approach the Sunday morning worship hour with great seriousness and earnestness and expectancy. We try to banish all that is flippant or trivial or chatty. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Not all services are this way. Sunday morning is the Mount of Transfiguration—the awesome place of glory and speechlessness. Sunday or Wednesday evening is the Mount of Olives— the familiar spot for conversation with the Lord and each other. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;In this article, we hope to do two things: 1) demonstrate that parents (or some responsible adult) should bring little children to the Sunday morning worship service rather than send them to a "children's church"; 2) give some practical advice about how to do it. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;We don't claim that our way of worshiping is the only valid way. Not all our ideas may fit with the way another church does it. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;For example, we don't have a children's sermon as part of our Sunday morning service. It would be fun for the children, but in the long run would weaken the spiritual intensity of our worship. To everything there is a season. And we believe that, for at least one hour a week, we should sustain a maximum intensity of moving reverence. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The Biggest Stumbling Block &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;There are several reasons why we urge parents to bring their children to worship. But these arguments will not carry much weight with parents who do not love to worship God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The greatest stumbling block for children in worship is that their parents do not cherish the hour. Children can feel the difference between duty and delight. Therefore, the first and most important job of a parent is to fall in love with the worship of God. You can't impart what you don't possess. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Togetherness &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Worshiping together counters the contemporary fragmentation of families. Hectic American life leaves little time for significant togetherness. It is hard to overestimate the good influence of families doing valuable things together week in and week out, year in and year out. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Worship is the most valuable thing a human can do. The cumulative effect of 650 worship services spent with Mom and Dad between the ages of 4 and 17 is incalculable. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Catch the Spirit &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Parents have the responsibility to teach their children by their own example the meaning and value of worship. Therefore, parents should want their children with them in worship so the children can catch the spirit and form of their parents' worship. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Children should see how Mom and Dad bow their heads in earnest prayer during the prelude and other non-directed times. They should see how Mom and Dad sing praise to God with joy in their faces, and how they listen hungrily to His Word. They should catch the spirit of their parents meeting the living God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Something seems wrong when parents want to take their children in the formative years and put them with other children and other adults to form their attitude and behavior in worship. Parents should be jealous to model for their children the tremendous value they put on reverence in the presence of Almighty God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Not an Excessive Expectation &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;To sit still and be quiet for an hour or two on Sunday is not an excessive expectation for a healthy 6-year-old who has been taught to obey his parents. It requires a measure of discipline, but that is precisely what we want to encourage parents to impart to their children in the first five years. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Thus the desire to have children in the worship service is part of a broader concern that children be reared so that they are "submissive and respectful in every way" (1 Timothy 3:4). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Children can be taught in the first five years of life to obey their father and mother when they say, "Sit still and be quiet." Parents' helplessness to control their children should not be solved by alternative services but by a renewal of discipline in the home. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Not Everything Goes Over Their Heads &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Children absorb a tremendous amount that is of value. And this is true even if they say they are bored. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Music and words become familiar. The message of the music starts to sink in. The form of the service comes to feel natural. The choir makes a special impression with a kind of music the children may hear at no other time. Even if most of the sermon goes over their heads, experience shows that children hear and remember remarkable things. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The content of the prayers and songs and sermon gives parents unparalleled opportunities to teach their children the great truths of our faith. If parents would only learn to query their children after the service and then explain things, the children's capacity to participate would soar. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Not everything children experience has to be put on their level in order to do them good. Some things must be. But not everything. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;For example, to learn a new language you can go step by step from alphabet to vocabulary to grammar to syntax. Or you can take a course where you dive in over your head, and all you hear is the language you don't know. Most language teachers would agree that the latter is by far the most effective. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Sunday worship service is not useless to children just because much of it goes over their heads. They can and will grow into this new language faster than we think—if positive and happy attitudes are fostered by the parents. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;A Sense of Awe &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;There is a sense of solemnity and awe which children should experience in the presence of God. This is not likely to happen in children's church. Is there such a thing as children's thunder or children's lightning or the crashing of the sea "for children"? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;A deep sense of the unknown and the mysterious can rise in the soul of a sensitive child in solemn worship—if his parents are going hard after God themselves. A deep moving of the magnificence of God can come to the young, tender heart through certain moments of great hymns or "loud silence" or authoritative preaching. These are of immeasurable value in the cultivation of a heart that fears and loves God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;We do not believe that children who have been in children's church for several years between the ages of 6 and 12 will be more inclined or better trained to enjoy worship than if they had spent those years at the side of their parents. In fact, the opposite is probably the case. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;It will probably be harder to acclimate a 10– or 12-year-old to a new worship service than a 5– or 6-year-old. The cement is much less wet, and vast possibilities of shaping the impulses of the heart are gone. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Some Practical Suggestions from Noël &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;When our four sons grew to be young men, we assumed that the worship-training chapter of our life had ended. But God has wonderful surprises. Our youngest son was 12 when we adopted our daughter, who was just a couple of months old. So our experience with young children in the pew started more than twenty years ago and will continue a while longer. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Getting Started Step by Step &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;We discovered that the very earliest "school" for worship is in the home—when we help a baby be quiet for just a moment while we ask God's blessing on our meal; when a toddler is sitting still to listen to a Bible story book; when a child is learning to pay attention to God's Word and to pray during family devotional times. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;At church, even while our children were still nursery-aged, I began to help them take steps toward eventual regular attendance in Sunday morning worship service. I used other gatherings as a training ground—baptisms, choir concerts, missionary videos or other special events that would grab the attention of a 3-year-old. I'd "promote" these to the child as something exciting and grown-up. The occasional special attendance gradually developed into regular evening attendance, while at the same time we were beginning to attempt Sunday mornings more and more regularly. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;I've chosen not to use the church's child care as an escape route when the service becomes long or the child gets restless. I don't want to communicate that you go to a service as long as it seems interesting, and then you can go play. And I wanted to avoid a pattern that might reinforce the idea that all of the service is good, up until the preaching of God's Word—then you can leave. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Of course, there are times when a child gets restless or noisy, despite a parent's best efforts. I pray for the understanding of the people around me, and try to deal with the problem unobtrusively. But if the child won't be quiet or still, I take him or her out—for the sake of quick discipline and for the sake of the other worshipers. Then I have to decide whether we'll slip back into service or stay in the area reserved for parents with young children. It depends on how responsive the child seems and whether there's an appropriate moment in the flow of the service. If we stay in the "family area" outside the sanctuary, I help my child sit quietly as if we were still in the sanctuary. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;By the time they are four years old, our children assume that they'll be at all the regular weekly services with us. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Preparation All Week Long &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Your anticipation and conversation before and after service and during the week will be important in helping your child learn to love worship and to behave well in service. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Help your children become acquainted with your pastor. Let them shake hands with him at the door and be greeted by him. Talk about who the worship leaders are; call them by name. Suggest that your child's Sunday School teacher invite the pastor to spend a few minutes with the children if your church's Sunday morning schedule allows for that. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;If you know what the Scripture passage will be for the coming Sunday, read it together several times during the week. A little one's face really lights up when he hears familiar words from the pulpit. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Talk about what is "special" this week: a trumpet solo, a friend singing, a missionary speaker from a country you have been praying for. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Sometimes you can take the regular elements of the service and make them part of the anticipation. "We've been reading about Joseph. What do you think the pastor will say about him?" "What might the choir be singing this morning?" "Maybe we can sit next to our handicapped friend and help him with his hymnbook so he can worship better too." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;There are two additional and important pre-service preparations for us: a pen and notepad for "Sunday notes" and a trip to the rest room (leaving the service is highly discouraged). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;What Happens During Service? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;First, I let a child who wants a worship folder have one—it helps a child feel like a participant in the service. And quietly, before service begins, I may point to the different parts of the service listed in the folder. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;During service, we all sit or stand along with rest of the congregation. I share my Bible or hymnal or worship folder with my little one, because use of these is an important part of the service. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The beginning of the sermon is the signal for "notetaking" to begin. (I want a child's activities to be related to the service. So we don't bring library books to read. I do let a very young child look at pictures in his Bible, if he can do it quietly.) Notetaking doesn't mean just scribbling, but "taking notes" on a special pad used just for service. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"Taking notes" grows up as the child does. At first he draws pictures of what he hears in the sermon. Individual words or names trigger individual pictures. You might pick out a word that will be used frequently in the sermon; have the child listen carefully and make a check mark in his "notes" each time he hears the word. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Later he may want to copy letters or words from the Scripture passage for the morning. When spelling comes easier, he will write words and then phrases he hears in the sermon. Before you might expect it, he will probably be outlining the sermon and noting whole concepts. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Goals and Requirements &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;My training for worship has three main goals:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ol style="list-style-type: decimal"&gt; &lt;li style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;That children learn early and as well as they can to worship God heartily.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;That parents be able to worship.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;That families cause no distraction to the people around them. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.5px Arial; min-height: 12.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;So there are certain expectations that I teach the young ones and expect of the older ones: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 13.5px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;* Sit or stand or close eyes when the service calls for it. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;* Sit up straight and still—not lounging or fidgeting or crawling around, but respectful toward God and the worshipers around you. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;* Keep bulletin papers and Bible and hymnal pages as quiet as possible. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;* Stay awake. Taking notes helps. (I did allow the smallest ones to sleep, but they usually didn't need to!) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;* Look toward the worship leaders in the front. No people-gazing or clock-watching. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;* If you can read fast enough, sing along with the printed words. At least keep your eyes on the words and try to think them. If you can't read yet, listen very hard. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.5px Arial; min-height: 12.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Creating an Environment in the Pew &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;For my part, I try to create an environment in our pew that makes worship easier. In past years, I would sit between whichever two were having the most trouble with each other that day. We choose seats where we can see the front better (while seated, not kneeling on the pew; kneeling leads to squirming and blocks the view of others). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Each child has a Bible, offering money and worship folder at hand, so he doesn't have to scramble and dig during the worship time. During the prelude, if I notice in the bulletin something unusual for which we need to be prepared (a responsive reading or congregational prayers, for example), I quietly point it out to a child who is old enough to participate. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Afterward &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;When the service has ended, my first words are praise to the child who has behaved well. In addition to the praise, I might also mention one or two things that we both hope will be better next time. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;But what if there has been disregard of our established expectations and little attempt to behave? The first thing that happens following the service is a silent and immediate trip to the most private place we can find. Then the deserved words are spoken and consequences administered or promised. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Closeness and Warmth &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;On the rare occasions when my pastor-husband can sit with the rest of us, the youngest one climbs right into his lap—and is more attentive and still than usual. What a wonderful thing for a young mind to closely associate the closeness and warmth of a parent's lap with special God-times. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;A child gets almost the same feeling from being next to his parent or from an arm around the shoulder or an affectionate hand on the knee. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 25.8px 0.0px; line-height: 13.8px; font: 11.5px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;The setting of the tight family circle focusing toward God will be a nonverbal picture growing richer and richer in the child's mind and heart as he matures in appreciation for his family and in awe at the greatness of God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; line-height: 11.6px; font: 10.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;© Bethlehem Baptist Church. 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If your intended use is other than that outlined above, please contact Desiring God Ministries, 720 13th Avenue South, Minneapolis, MN 55415. 612.3388611, mail@desiringGOD.org. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-6166706153391553379?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/6166706153391553379/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=6166706153391553379' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/6166706153391553379'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/6166706153391553379'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/03/noel-piper-article.html' title='Noel Piper article'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-3702524765596732627</id><published>2010-02-12T08:14:00.006Z</published><updated>2010-02-12T08:38:49.388Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>It's National Marriage Week don't you know?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;It's National Marriage Week don't you know?  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Well you probably didn't - the closest I came to it in the media was the following article under the heading '&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.metro.co.uk/news/812799-marriage-in-crisis-as-rate-in-uk-lowest-since-1862"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Marriage in crisis as weddings hit record low&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;' in today's Metro.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Whilst the balance of the article is pretty good, I was relieved to find my weekly dose of the Friday Five, from Jonathan Tame, part of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.relationshipsglobal.net/Web/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;relationshipsglobal&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;, arrive on my iPhone with the header of '&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;February 12th 2010: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;marking National Marriage Week' .  I was already feeling a bit more positive on this grey and cold Friday morning.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;The Friday Five is a weekly article to '&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Stimulating Relational Thinking' using;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;1. a quote&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;2. a relational news comment&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;3. further reading&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;4. a relational action&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;5. a Bible verse&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Marianne and I have been married for 12 years on September 5th.  I've had the opportunity to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.winfam.org/Media/AllMedia.aspx"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;preach once in the last 6 years&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;, and my chosen topic was &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=eph+5%3A25-32"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;marriage in Ephesians 5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;.  This is something I care about deeply.  I love marriage for what it is there to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=eph+5%3A32"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;ultimately show&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;, how it is &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Genesis+2%3A18"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;so good for me&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;, and the fact that God gave me such a wonderful wife whom I love.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;So, I commend the Friday Five to you for sake of balance, encouragement, and your own stimulated relational thinking.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Here is the bit from item 2. above:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; "&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;"Marriage is frequently in the news; behind the headlines of celebrity affairs by Tiger Woods and John Terry, or the battle over legality of same-sex marriages, or the debate over the extent of damage caused by divorce, there lies the dilemma over whether marriage is a public or private issue.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; "&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;A UK government green paper recently stated ‘marriage is a personal and private decision for responsible adults with which politicians should not interfere.’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;In response, Michael Trend, our colleague at the Relationships Foundation, said: ‘It is cohabitation that is a personal and private decision... But marriage, by its very nature, is a public decision that confers both privileges and obligations. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; "&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Private choices have public consequences. Government has, in recent years, been ready to influence what was considered previously to be private individual behaviour in many areas.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;The health consequences of smoking are deemed to justify influencing people's choices, yet the fact that the longevity effect of marriage may even offset the consequences of smoking is ignored.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Since marriage is beneficial for society, not just for individuals, then the challenge for government is two-fold: how to promote marriage as an attainable ideal, in place of marginalising it and thus “normalising” cohabitation and divorce; and secondly, how to deliver the right kind of support so that couples find it easier to get married and stay married."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0cm; "&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  ;font-family:Georgia, serif;font-size:16px;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;To &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;receive&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt; Friday Five, send an email with “subscribe” in the subject line to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="mailto:fridayfive@relationshipsglobal.net"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;fridayfive@relationshipsglobal.net&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'lucida grande';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:12px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-3702524765596732627?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/3702524765596732627/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=3702524765596732627' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3702524765596732627'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3702524765596732627'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/02/its-national-marriage-week-dont-you.html' title='It&apos;s National Marriage Week don&apos;t you know?'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-251425254699194045</id><published>2010-02-05T09:14:00.007Z</published><updated>2010-02-05T16:31:39.248Z</updated><title type='text'>Dreaming in Helsinki</title><content type='html'> Had a good time in Finland. Productive work day yesterday, and manage to get a bit of time last night to wander around Helsinki centre.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Had the fantastic news yesterday that the school to which we wanted to send Joseph have created an additional 12 places which means he is now in!  Last week we discovered, although his brother attends, that Joseph had not got a place due to admissions policy.  It is a wonderful school, we are so happy that Ben and Joseph will be there together, and that Marianne is saved from the ridiculous life of sending and fetching children from schools at different sides of our city.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Missed the soup service last night for the first time due to travel.  Bob L did a great job and has already shared a report with me at my request!  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I dreamt last night about 1 of the rough sleepers we serve on a Thursday night - he was painfully thin and weak.  I hardly ever have dreams I can remember!  How did this topic ever get so on my mind?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-Bm2DxRw8s/S2viNujld5I/AAAAAAAAA88/NcQ3OV3toR8/s1600-h/DSC_0015.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 267px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-Bm2DxRw8s/S2viNujld5I/AAAAAAAAA88/NcQ3OV3toR8/s400/DSC_0015.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5434686100816099218" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D-Bm2DxRw8s/S2viNWcllcI/AAAAAAAAA80/9bbctyr_ydk/s1600-h/DSC_0011.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 267px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D-Bm2DxRw8s/S2viNWcllcI/AAAAAAAAA80/9bbctyr_ydk/s400/DSC_0011.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5434686094344295874" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D-Bm2DxRw8s/S2viNMs8kfI/AAAAAAAAA8s/tJV1cKWi4dc/s1600-h/DSC_0008.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 267px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_D-Bm2DxRw8s/S2viNMs8kfI/AAAAAAAAA8s/tJV1cKWi4dc/s400/DSC_0008.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5434686091728556530" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D-Bm2DxRw8s/S2viM2yrf5I/AAAAAAAAA8k/wvjwGutE4UA/s1600-h/DSC_0007.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 267px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D-Bm2DxRw8s/S2viM2yrf5I/AAAAAAAAA8k/wvjwGutE4UA/s400/DSC_0007.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5434686085847023506" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-251425254699194045?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/251425254699194045/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=251425254699194045' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/251425254699194045'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/251425254699194045'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/02/helsinki.html' title='Dreaming in Helsinki'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_D-Bm2DxRw8s/S2viNujld5I/AAAAAAAAA88/NcQ3OV3toR8/s72-c/DSC_0015.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-4287708694186735741</id><published>2010-01-15T17:56:00.005Z</published><updated>2010-01-17T14:12:16.652Z</updated><title type='text'>Haiti, objections to my last post, and an attempt at a reply</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Hello,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Having posted a brief article about Haiti (see previous article on this blog), one reader replied privately with the below objections.  I chose to send a private reply to what I thought were interesting if not particularly new objections, and post it here. The objectors reply was that they didn't have enough time to read it! They may have had a point ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;1. this tragedy was due to a design fault by God is allowing tectonic plated to create this kind of disaster.  Christians love to reference aspects of creation such as childbirth as speaking of how amazing God is, but we neglect to mention the terrible things which happen as a result of this world's make-up.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;2. the western media is simply spinning the story as long as it suits them, and won't care to report or even be aware of this in 12 months time, implying this is something to therefore shun.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;3. Haiti is in such a state because of governmental corruption over a number of years, and this is a country largely run by gangs through crime"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;meta charset="utf-8"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;-------------------------------------------------------------&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Tom's Reply&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Thanks for your email.  It's always nice to get a reply.   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Beware that my reply is even longer.  I am sorry about that - if I had longer I would try and condense it, but my time has run out.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I don't find your thoughts particularly controversial!  You seem to say that pain is God's fault, the world is corrupt, and the media's attention is limited to whatever gets the most web site hits or paper sales.  But my mind is racing with ideas about how to respond to your email!   I can't fully respond to your email, because it was take too long, take too many words, and I don't have all the answers... but I begin.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Obviously whilst I do agree that the tragedy we are seeing on our screens in Haiti has been caused by the worst earthquake for 200 years there, I don't agree that this should be considered a design defect by a creator God.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;There are many things in this world which bring tragedy, sadness, and despair - the events in Haiti are more prominent for a time (I think the 'years time' you mention is probably generous), but I don't believe that was the way things were initially created by God, and I do believe that man's rejection of God has brought about many issues.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;There are many sort-of indirect consequences for our rejection of God's plan:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;- it was only after Adam and eve rejected God's way in the garden of Eden that Eve was told she would suffer pain in childbirth, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;- Adam was only told after the 'fall' that working the land to produce harvest would be hampered by reduced quality and weeds in the soil.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;There are however many more examples of the direct consequences of man's actions directly producing pain and sadness and grief.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;- 'By justice a king gives a country stability, but one who is greedy for bribes tears it down'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;- read Proverbs 28 to see what God thinks about the rich hoarding wealth and closing their eyes to the poor.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;This leads to your second point - the 'knee jerk driven media'.  It is terribly sad but no doubt true.  These images of peoples lives desperately effected will drive people to view web pages (as they did me), and sell papers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;So is media attention entirely bad?  Well, the media often uses stories and images about the mundane and transitory - big brother scandals etc - there is really very little human value in these raked up stories, less tragic and more self absorbed in all it's ugly western superficiality. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;However, it seems to me that where the media does report on an event with huge human value, it is to be welcomed and utilised as a means to enable that positive human virtue of compassion and resulting action. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Surely a huge part of something like Amensty International's agenda is to demand that the media reports on the less glamourous but more news worthy issues in the world?  I don't think either of us would consider Amnesty to be doing a bad job.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;So is the transitory attention a reason to not engage?  We don't need to wait for another Haiti - there are certainly already terrible events taking this place which are barely, if at all, reported, but we can find out about them and act if we so choose - and commit to them for a longer period of time.  Organisations like Amnesty, Compassionart, Compassion UK, and are all working to this end, and all things which as a family we are supporting in our own small way.  I think of other situations such as Human Trafficking - do you know that there are currently more people in slavery through the organisation of human trafficking than were enslaved during the period we know as the 'Slave Trade'? The terrible and avoidable situation of Malaria, HIV, and literacy in Africa also comes to mind - we have friends who live in Africa now serving a local community, and other friends who have been out to use their skills to serve people in these places.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;The choice of whether something be transitory or permanent is ultimately ours.  However, for the masses, organisations like Oxfam and ChristianAid have made engagement and action very easy for those willing.  So the 2 steps of becoming Aware, and then committing ourselves to Act are decisions we make make.  So then, of the many who have been shocked  by the reports from Haiti go onto engage in longer term action?  Not many, but at least some, so I think the mass media has served as a useful tool, at least until something better comes along - perhaps Twitter? ;-)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I know you are someone very aware of and engaged with many social issues.  This is not meant to be informing you of anything you didn't know..  But I hope it does go some way to explaining my own thoughts on this, and my belief that it is the role of the church to engage with and serve those in difficulty - especially the poor.  If this means giving money to organisations, raising the profile of issues, serving in places ourselves, lobbying governments on bills which smack of injustice, then that is what I must do and advocate on their behalf.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;In a country where 50% of the population live in less than 60p per day, a place  considered to be the poorest in the western hemisphere, it can be no wonder that building construction has been poor.  The mind then of course races to why this is the case - then to the thoughts on government - then to the distribution of wealth ... and then finally corruption.  But as people blessed with the capacity to experience compassion and feel outrage at blatant injustice, we have the sensibilities which give us the capacity to make a difference.  The longer we take action, and the more involved we become, the greater the impact we might together make.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;So I look to the perfect example in loving, engaging with, and giving himself for others and I choose to follow him - the one by whom this world was perfectly made, the one who man utterly rejected choosing his own wisdom, and the world to whom this creator then came to die to restore and redeem that which was broken back to him - beauty for ashes, death to life.  `&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Thanks,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;/Tom&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-4287708694186735741?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/4287708694186735741/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=4287708694186735741' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4287708694186735741'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4287708694186735741'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/01/objections-to-my-last-post-and-attempt.html' title='Haiti, objections to my last post, and an attempt at a reply'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-4105886504870888409</id><published>2010-01-13T20:07:00.006Z</published><updated>2010-01-14T14:20:41.340Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Poverty'/><title type='text'>Haiti</title><content type='html'>Donate to Haiti at &lt;a href="http://www.christianaid.org.uk/emergencies/current/haiti-earthquake-appeal/index.aspx"&gt;Christianaid.org.uk&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/2188_11_charities_collecting_donations_for_haiti"&gt;or from one of the charities listed here by Abraham Piper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/01/earthquake_in_haiti.html"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/01/earthquake_in_haiti.html"&gt;I just looked at some images of this online - goto here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I look at these images I feel grieved.  This isn't easy to pray about, but prayer and giving is what we can do.  God show mercy and let your kingdom come.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The back history here of badly built buildings, and propensity to collapse is something I think I will be dwelling on.  Why?  Is there not enough money, knowledge, or will?  The worst quake there in 200 years though.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is the &lt;a href="http://www.christianaid.org.uk/emergencies/current/haiti-earthquake-appeal/index.aspx"&gt;prayer from the Christian aid website&lt;/a&gt;. Helping, stirring, saddening, but there is hope.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Loving God of creation,&lt;br /&gt;at this time of devastation&lt;br /&gt;we hold before you the people of Haiti.&lt;br /&gt;When the damage is unimaginable,&lt;br /&gt;and the suffering seems overwhelming,&lt;br /&gt;remind us that every person affected&lt;br /&gt;is loved, honoured and precious in your sight.&lt;br /&gt;We remember all those who have been hurt;&lt;br /&gt;all who have lost their homes, livelihoods and loved ones.&lt;br /&gt;Work through us to bring healing&lt;br /&gt;to broken and distorted lives,&lt;br /&gt;peace to those who have been thrown into despair,&lt;br /&gt;light to those in darkness,&lt;br /&gt;and hope to those who fear.&lt;br /&gt;We ask this in the name of Jesus&lt;br /&gt;in whom all life and grace is found.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is so terrible.  My thoughts turn to our upcoming church gift day to finish paying off our nice new church building, and then my thoughts are taken to my own nice house which I am living in and paying off - the accusations come easily, the answers less so, but we can and we must act....&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;God of grace, showing such love and grace to me, makes me a means of grace to others, and change me to be more like your wonderful Son, the Light of the world.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-4105886504870888409?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/4105886504870888409/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=4105886504870888409' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4105886504870888409'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4105886504870888409'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/01/haiti.html' title='Haiti'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-1356527600285696431</id><published>2010-01-06T11:44:00.001Z</published><updated>2010-01-14T14:21:06.202Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='music'/><title type='text'>Heavy Clouds | Shane Beales</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;I've been listening to this EP for a few months, after I found it via a Stu G (ex Delirious lead-guitarist) tweet.  Really very worth a listen - and free to download!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.heavy-clouds.com/"&gt;Heavy Clouds | Shane Beales&lt;/a&gt;: "Heavy Clouds. The new EP from Shane Beales"&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-1356527600285696431?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.heavy-clouds.com' title='Heavy Clouds | Shane Beales'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/1356527600285696431/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=1356527600285696431' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1356527600285696431'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1356527600285696431'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/01/heavy-clouds-shane-beales.html' title='Heavy Clouds | Shane Beales'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-1151711318422746629</id><published>2010-01-04T11:54:00.006Z</published><updated>2010-01-04T17:20:09.009Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Poverty'/><title type='text'>| Study Notes |  The Gospel to the Poor - John Wimber</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-size:13px;"&gt;&lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title" style="margin-top: 0.25em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; line-height: 1.4em; color: rgb(204, 102, 0); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title" style="margin-top: 0.25em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 0px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:7;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" font-weight: normal;font-size:56px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);  line-height: 76px;  font-style: italic; font-family:Georgia, serif;font-size:-webkit-xxx-large;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:medium;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal;"&gt;I'm planning on continuing a study book I began in July 2008. It's called The Gospel to the Poor and was written by John Wimber. I'm just taking a look at my notes from the first 2 days of the study...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;h3 class="post-title entry-title" style="margin-top: 0.25em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 18px; font-weight: normal; line-height: 1.4em; color: rgb(204, 102, 0); "&gt;&lt;a href="http://gospeltothepoor.blogspot.com/2008/07/day-1.html" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); text-decoration: none; display: block; font-weight: normal; "&gt;Day&lt;br /&gt;1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;div class="post-header-line-1"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="post-body entry-content" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.75em; margin-left: 0px; line-height: 1.6em; "&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Gospel to the Poor - John Wimber&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/IMOW&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Paul wrote to the Galatians following the Council of Jerusalem.  In his letter we find the expected reference to the question of the controversy discussed, but we also find an addition not recorded in the Acts 15 account.  Regarding certain key members of the council Paul records "All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do". (Gal 2:10)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;To ask:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/Why is it significant that they asked Paul to remember the poor?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The perception of the council was that it was a place of division, with some inferring that the key theme is Paul jockying for position with Peter.  Gal 2:10 teaches us that they were all in agreement regarding the poor - a matter of compassion not assertion.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;/What significance does this have for Christians today?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Wealth is inreasingly gathered in the hands of the few.  Poverty is passed down generationally showing it's effects through crime, addiction, abuse, and violence.  The poor are often not seen, for example in Winchester, and we forget there is any problem.  Furthermore the policies of our governments assert capitalist behaviour following disasters when people are disorientated and are grateful for any seemingly ordered plan - however again in this model wealth is gathered into the hands of the few, with the overriding objective to increase wealth is their overiding concern, rather than the service of people.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;To meditate on&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/Acts 4:34 - there were no needy persons among them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I wonder how big their community was, was there a big pot from which the poor took, or was the care of the poor the responsibility of larger but still family based households?  How did they know there were no poor - relationally how did this happen - they must have cared and known each others lives very well, and wanted to know each other very well.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/Acts 9:36 - Tabitha was always doing good and helping the poor. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;At a time of life when everything seems so busy, I think that Tabitha's schedule must have been determined over a period of time by her love and desire to care for people.  This is a challenge for me.  To choose inglorious hidden loving service of others as a conscious vocation.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/Acts 24:17&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"I came to Jerusalem to bring my people gifts for the poor and to present offerings."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I wonder what kind of gifts these were - what were their needs?  Food, clothing, or more?  What gifts and offerings could I bring to someone like Steve Whittington as he serves the poor in Hull?  What are the needs of people in his church?  I must ask him.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/Romans 15:26&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I don't know the geography, but this seems to imply that they gave beyond their immediate location.  I wonder what the connection was - relationships?  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;To ponder&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/In what ways can we remember the poor?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Be aware of the facts - who are poor, in what way are they poor, where do they live, why are they poor - what has happened, and in light of all this, what is the best way to help them - what gifts and offerings could we bring, and how could this be brought.  Awareness in a materialistic society...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;reading books, reading papers, doing research, being involved in caring for the poor, giving to the care of the poor, doing bible studies on what God says and does about the poor and how Jesus spoke and behaved towards the poor.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/What is your church doing in each of these areas?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I don't know.  I am not aware of anything.  I must ask.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Action - email to Mark.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hi Mark.  I hope you are well.  I would be very grateful of your help on two points.   &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I am currently doing a study book called 'Gospel for the Poor' and I have a question about what my local church is going to care the poor - please can you help me understand what it is we do?  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Many Thanks,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/Tom&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Food for Thought&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/Begin a research project into:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;a) the needs among your community.  (You can do this by gathering information from your local newspaper and through your own observation).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;b) how these needs are being met (You could ing or write to any local charities and your local council to find out what programmes are running).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;c) Compare your information  Is there a gap between the needs and the programmes?  Begin to think about what you or your church could do about it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Quote&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/Bias to the poor sounds like a statement of political preference  My experience has been that some of the most central teachings of Orthodox Christianity lead me to this position. (David Sheppard).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;Study Notes first written on 28th July 2008.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-1151711318422746629?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/1151711318422746629/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=1151711318422746629' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1151711318422746629'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1151711318422746629'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/01/study-notes-gospel-to-poor-john-wimber.html' title='| Study Notes |  The Gospel to the Poor - John Wimber'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-3302207980013598352</id><published>2010-01-03T00:46:00.000Z</published><updated>2010-01-14T14:21:20.460Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='music'/><title type='text'>FW // Delirious Gig 18th Oct 2008</title><content type='html'>// Saturday 2nd January.&lt;p&gt;Just found this as a note I&amp;#39;d written for facebook.  I&amp;#39;ve been  &lt;br&gt;thinking again about the role of blessing our areas as we live in them  &lt;br&gt;and see his kingdom come, or lodge in them as those without even  &lt;br&gt;transitory concern. Feeling pretty nervous about start of Soup service  &lt;br&gt;for roughsleepers this Thurs night.  If you read this, please pray. //&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;I booked my tickets last weekend and to my dismay only found space in  &lt;br&gt;the &amp;#39;balcony section&amp;#39;.  Arriving today, my worst fears were confirmed,  &lt;br&gt;atmosphere limited, jumping unlikely.  I managed to talk a staff  &lt;br&gt;member into getting me in downstairs where everything suddenly felt  &lt;br&gt;better!  The gig was great, part of their Kingdom of Comfort tour,  &lt;br&gt;although I did feel a bit old!  At one point Martin Smith picked out a  &lt;br&gt;guy on the front row and asked him his age - 14.  Martin replied that  &lt;br&gt;the song they were about to play was written when the guy was 1.  He  &lt;br&gt;joked that the guys parents where probably there at the first play,  &lt;br&gt;and were most likely a little further back in the crowd tonight.  All  &lt;br&gt;a bit too close for comfort for me!&lt;p&gt;Thoughts below...&lt;p&gt;What happens when a man finds a message which outgrows him?  Suddenly  &lt;br&gt;a simple song is not enough and yet at the same time a simple song is  &lt;br&gt;all we have, but knowing that beyond the simple song we may be a  &lt;br&gt;people, his body, through which he changes the shape of lives across  &lt;br&gt;the earth.&lt;p&gt;I think they&amp;#39;ve found a song for us, that means the end of this kind  &lt;br&gt;of singing, and the beginning of a new tune sent up heavenward -  &lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;those who love to dance, begin to dance upon his injustice&amp;quot; - only  &lt;br&gt;now are we beginning to work out what that might mean, and how this  &lt;br&gt;has all grown! - from a monthly Sunday night event, to a something  &lt;br&gt;affecting each family, work, personal, and church decision.  It&amp;#39;s  &lt;br&gt;going to take some effort.  Now may not be a time of rest - that will  &lt;br&gt;probably have to wait.&lt;p&gt;But it&amp;#39;s the closeness of Jesus that is worth any cost - at those  &lt;br&gt;worship events in years past it was like oil, these days he seems  &lt;br&gt;evermore like a friend in the battle just helping me know the next 2  &lt;br&gt;steps, but his friendship is worth more than anything this earth can  &lt;br&gt;offer, and we still have those moments of worship together as his  &lt;br&gt;people - you just never know which way it will go  ... a jumping mass  &lt;br&gt;or a teary eyed crowd - we&amp;#39;re really and happily at his disposal if  &lt;br&gt;you know what I mean.&lt;p&gt;This song isn&amp;#39;t perfect, but its the day by day sound of the friction  &lt;br&gt;of our lives in contact with this earth - are we robbing the earth or  &lt;br&gt;rubbing against it with a sound of grace?&lt;p&gt;Martin Smith read this out from Isaiah 58&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;This is the kind of fast day I&amp;#39;m after: to break the chains of  &lt;br&gt;injustice, get rid of exploitation in the workplace,free the  &lt;br&gt;oppressed, cancel debts.  What I&amp;#39;m interested in seeing you do is:  &lt;br&gt;sharing your food with the hungry, inviting the homeless poor into  &lt;br&gt;your homes, putting clothes on the shivering ill-clad, being available  &lt;br&gt;to your own families.  Do this and the lights will turn on, and your  &lt;br&gt;lives will turn around at once.&lt;p&gt;The lights will turn on.  We need the lights to turn on.  This is a  &lt;br&gt;prophectic message to the church, and riches are to be found if we  &lt;br&gt;respond to God&amp;#39;s challenge - and as Martin once sang -&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;I&amp;#39;ve searched for gold, I&amp;#39;ve longed for the silver, I&amp;#39;ve climbed the  &lt;br&gt;mountain for once glance of a jewel, I won&amp;#39;t be satisfied &amp;#39;till I find  &lt;br&gt;what I come for, I won&amp;#39;t be satisfied till I meet with you.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;Liberated Worship is only to be truly known when the church is full of  &lt;br&gt;liberated freed souls singing out his name.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-3302207980013598352?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/3302207980013598352/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=3302207980013598352' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3302207980013598352'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3302207980013598352'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2010/01/fw-delirious-gig-18th-oct-2008.html' title='FW // Delirious Gig 18th Oct 2008'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-4238751086039058028</id><published>2009-12-22T23:38:00.001Z</published><updated>2010-01-14T14:22:45.907Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='music'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='reading'/><title type='text'>Bonhoeffer - a timely read?</title><content type='html'>Bonhoeffer seems to have come up in some conversations I've had recently.  Just read this on Wikipedia.  I think this might be a good time to read something from him ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"At this time, Bonhoeffer witnessed social chaos and decline of traditional values amid international financial crisis and became critical of the church as being insensitive to evident needs of the world around it and instead burying Christ in the heap of religiosity."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any tips on an opening book for a Bonhoeffer newcomer?  Even better, would be an online article I could access without waiting for delivery!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-4238751086039058028?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/4238751086039058028/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=4238751086039058028' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4238751086039058028'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4238751086039058028'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/12/bonhoeffer-timely-read.html' title='Bonhoeffer - a timely read?'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-9219728811036479335</id><published>2009-12-16T15:57:00.002Z</published><updated>2010-01-14T14:21:56.757Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creation'/><title type='text'>An open letter about Copenhagen</title><content type='html'>Hi Amy,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;thanks for the email about the sign-up for the summit.  I've signed up!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the Copenhagen summit is a tough thing to watch.  it really does show, when it comes to the crunch, what we as a people are about. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The developing countries will lose not just revenue but lives if the agreement on the drop in CO2 levels by 2020 isn't agreed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This isn't ultimately about the planet for me, but about the lives which this planet supports - and there is really nothing more important than that. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I both understood and hated a line by Tony Blair about finding a compromise on the targets as reported in the paper on Monday night - 'let's not let the good be the enemy of the best' - if we are talking about lives of millions and the sake of the poorer nations who typically have a rather quieter voice than the richer nations,  then the best is the only thing we can responsibly offer if we are to live with ourselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Take care,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;/Tom&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-9219728811036479335?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/9219728811036479335/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=9219728811036479335' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/9219728811036479335'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/9219728811036479335'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/12/open-letter-about-copenhagen.html' title='An open letter about Copenhagen'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-2379223357062729049</id><published>2009-12-07T14:22:00.005Z</published><updated>2010-01-14T14:22:27.436Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='reading'/><title type='text'>Jackie goes all Manga</title><content type='html'>Looking forward to this &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chasing-Dragon-Graphic-Jackie-Pullinger/dp/0340954833/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1260195613&amp;amp;sr=1-6"&gt;Manga version&lt;/a&gt; of a very popular book - 'Chasing the Dragon' by Jackie Pullinger.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;After 2 announcements about serving the poor, I have had about 5 times more people interested than I think I can accommodate for in the current plans (Soup Service).  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I plan to spend the next few days researching other realistic first steps we might take to ensure we engage all who have been stirred about this, and then go back with revised proposals.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Looking at Stop the Traffik now.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Please provoke, suggest, and direct as you are able.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Thanks,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/Tom&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-2379223357062729049?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/2379223357062729049/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=2379223357062729049' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/2379223357062729049'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/2379223357062729049'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/12/jackie-goes-all-manga.html' title='Jackie goes all Manga'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-7172019101787661591</id><published>2009-12-01T10:06:00.001Z</published><updated>2010-01-14T14:22:45.908Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='music'/><title type='text'>One Sonic Society and Death</title><content type='html'>Check out http://www.onesonicsociety.com/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The new brain child of Garrard and Thatcher (ex Delirious) and a couple of new friends who I am sure I will learn more about over time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Great lyrics!  'in you death has lost it's sting'  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I went to my Grandma's funeral last week.  She loved Jesus.  It was an amazing time to be together - sad, but the 'riches of his love' means happiness and sadness get blurred as both are touched by his love for us.  My uncle gave an amazing address, and as I left I kept thinking about 1 Cor 15 &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;... "It was sin that made death so frightening and law-code guilt that gave sin its leverage, its destructive power. But now in a single victorious stroke of Life, all three?sin, guilt, death?are gone, the gift of our Master, Jesus Christ. Thank God!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I mentioned it SUnday night when I led worship as we sang Tim Hughes song - 'Nothings gonna hold me back'. Part of the lyrics say 'free forever'.  that is literally true for those who love Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How could he do this for me?  Nothing compares to his embrace.  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-7172019101787661591?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/7172019101787661591/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=7172019101787661591' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7172019101787661591'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7172019101787661591'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/12/one-sonic-society-and-death.html' title='One Sonic Society and Death'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-7492476820272875848</id><published>2009-11-24T22:24:00.003Z</published><updated>2010-01-14T14:23:04.301Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Poverty'/><title type='text'>A proposal to serve hot soup for 1 hour per week for the next 3 months, to people who might otherwise go cold and hungry.</title><content type='html'>&lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;Hi any readers!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;Here follows a proposal created for the elders in my church following an encouraging meeting about a week ago.  We hope to share with our church at the next family night and begin to talk with people who are interested in serving here.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;I have many questions, and some doubts about the practicalities - how to deal with guys who have been drinking heavily etc, but I think this is a good first step on this journey.  Any wisdom or insights from readers is very welcome - more than welcome - needed.  Please pray for me and us!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;Thanks,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;/Tom&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:7;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 29px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;A proposal to serve hot soup for 1 hour per week for the next 3 months, to people who might otherwise go cold and hungry.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Overview&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Why:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(38, 38, 38); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 38); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Serving soup to those who otherwise might go hungry is another step towards being obedient to our God’s command to ‘Love the Poor’, (Gal 2:10), recognition that in loving the poor we love Jesus  (Matt 11:35-36), and step of faith that in loving the poor (as those who already love and receive the mercy and grace of Jesus) the church will shine more brightly with his glory as God tells us in his word:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Arial; color: rgb(38, 38, 38); "&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia, serif; "&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 38); "&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(38, 38, 38); "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"What I'm interested in seeing you do is: sharing your food with the hungry, inviting the homeless poor into your homes, putting clothes on the shivering ill-clad, being available to your own families. Do this and the lights will turn on, and your lives will turn around at once. …  Your lives will begin to glow in the darkness; your shadowed lives will be bathed in sunlight.”  &lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: normal; "&gt;(Isaiah 58, The Message Translation)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;What:  &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Winchester Family Church will serve people with soup, buttered bread, and tea and coffee for 1 hour per week for the next 3 (rather cold) months.   Clothes or clothing vouchers for the Basics Bank will also be distributed depending on supplies. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"&gt;Where:  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;The service will be provided using the kitchenette attached to the Middle Brook Centre (MBC).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;When: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;A day and time will be agreed soon, following consultation with users and staff of the Night shelter, and Trinity Centre, both in Winchester.  Consultation is taking place to avoid duplication with other existing services, and to ensure that existing local knowledge is taken into account.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;How: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Preparation and delivery of the food will require 4 Community Groups volunteers to provide soup and bread once a month for 3 months.  Service of the food will require 2 Community Groups to volunteer on a fortnightly basis for a period of 3 months with a minimum of 3 men per group required each week.  Clothes may be brought to the MBC each Sunday 9.45 and 9.55 each week and left at the welcome desk.  For the initial 3 month period Tom or Marianne Foster will serve each week.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Timing:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; 7.30 – pickup key to kitchenette from supplier.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;7.30 – 7.45:  arrive and setup&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;7.45 – 8.00:  prayer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;8.00 – 9.00: serve &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpLast"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;9.00 – 9.15: tidy up, lockup and leave&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpLast" style="mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Service details&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; The Winfam soup service from the users perspective will include the following:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;1: aware&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;How will users become aware of this service? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpFirst" style="text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Poster:  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Users may become aware of the service through posters showing a picture of the MBC, a map clearly showing the location of the MBC, a time and day when the service will be available, and a brief explanation of what the service will offer.  These posters may be seen at:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:72.0pt;mso-add-space:auto; mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;o&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Trinity Centre&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:72.0pt;mso-add-space:auto; mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;o&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Winchester Night Shelter&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:72.0pt;mso-add-space:auto; mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;o&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Front door of the MBC &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Word of Mouth: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Users may become aware of the service as people walking around the Winchester high street area explain it to them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Users may become aware of the service my workers at the Trinity Centre and Night shelter.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpLast"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;2: engage&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;How will people identify that the service is open, and that they are welcome?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpFirst" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Visual&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Awning: The awning will be lowered as a visible cue that the service is open, and chairs will be set out.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Lighting: The immediate vicinity outside the MBC will be lit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Greeters: Those with the task of Greeting &amp;amp; Talking will stand and welcome any interested service users.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;      &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Audio&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Music:  Music will be played on a small sound system.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;3: use&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpFirst"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Users of the service may ask for soup, bread, and tea or coffee.   They may sit or stand as they wish. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Users will not be allowed to step inside the kitchenette.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;The service will close at 9pm.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpLast"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:6;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 19px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;‘How’ in detail&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Delivering this service&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Preparation pt 1&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Who will make the food and drink?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpFirst" style="text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Materials:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;2 loaves of buttered bread&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;3 large thermos of soup (approx 4-6 litres).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "&gt;Resource:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpLast"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Suggest 4 Community Groups volunteers to take turns in providing the above materials, on a once every 4 weeks. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Preparation pt 2&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Directions on delivering the food and drink.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Directions:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;The cell group should collect thermos flasks on the Sunday morning prior to their ‘turn’. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;The above food and drink should be delivered to the MBC serving hatch 30 minutes prior to the service opening.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;The soup should be delivered within the thermos flasks and not require warming-up.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;The bread should be provided in bags or on disposable plates that do not require returning to the owners.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;        &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Resource:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpLast"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;The food should be delivered by the same CG who have prepared the food for that week.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Serve the food and drink:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;What will the service will involve, and what are it's composite activities, resource requirements?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Serving: 2-3 people.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Soup and drinks will require between 2 and 3 people who may remain behind the hatch in the kitchenette.  At least one of those serving here should be a man.  Servers should arrive 20 minutes before the service begins.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Greeting &amp;amp; Talking: 2-3 people.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Key activities are to ask questions, listen, and offer friendship and food.   The following areas offer a an indication on how conversation might develop:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:72.0pt;mso-add-space:auto; mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;o&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;User needs – this is an excellent opportunity for those serving to ask questions and listen to users share about their needs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:72.0pt;mso-add-space:auto; mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;o&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Friendship – we would seek to make this service carry an atmosphere of service and friendship, developing the capability to engage people in meaningful dialogue about their lives.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:72.0pt;mso-add-space:auto; mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;o&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Local services – to learn more about local services from those using this service, but also to see those serving develop a ‘working knowledge’ of local services, which can be shared where useful.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:72.0pt;mso-add-space:auto; mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Courier New'; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;o&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Prayer – where discussion and friendship develops, to offer to pray with service users about any needs – whether material, emotional, or physical. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Resource:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpMiddle"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Tom/Marianne Foster will attend every week for the first 3 months.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Suggest 2 Community Groups volunteer to take turns in serving the food and drink on a fortnightly basis for a period of 3 months.  A minimum of 3 men per group will be required to attend as part of a team of 6 or more people each week.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpLast" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Clothes:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: x-large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpFirst"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Shoes, coats, and jumpers can be delivered to the MBC on a Sunday morning between 9.45 and 9.55am prior to the start of the meeting.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Clothes will be distributed to users of the soup service as need determines.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoListBulletCxSpLast"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-7492476820272875848?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/7492476820272875848/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=7492476820272875848' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7492476820272875848'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7492476820272875848'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/11/proposal-to-serve-hot-soup-for-1-hour.html' title='A proposal to serve hot soup for 1 hour per week for the next 3 months, to people who might otherwise go cold and hungry.'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-1202034319786046614</id><published>2009-10-30T12:41:00.003Z</published><updated>2009-10-30T12:43:58.656Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Followers of Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Poverty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Politics'/><title type='text'>Homelessness in Winchester</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;Hi - I try not to publish the same articles on this and &lt;a href="www.jimandfriends.blogspot.com"&gt;another blog to which I contribute&lt;/a&gt;, but this is quite central to some of the previous themes on this blog - so on this occasion I will make an exception :-)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica, serif; font-size: small; "&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;Homelessness meeting at the Trinity Centre (Bradbury House, Durngate Place).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;a. the meeting&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I met Jan and Pauline (Dix) outside the police station at 6.45 - clearly Jan has persuaded them to let her out early for good behaviour.  We walked for a couple of minutes until we reached the Trinity Centre.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The purpose of the evening was for the 3 represented charities to explain what it was that they did. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;b. the Charities&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Trinity Centre&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Trinity Centre is a newly refurbished building (costing in excess of 2 million I am told), which functions as a drop in centre for the homeless and those suffering from mental or physical abuse.  Their clients are the long term homeless, those with housing problems and women suffering domestic abuse.  They offer food (breakfast and lunch), physical health care (Pauline Grant from church does a day or so a week as GP), advice/ support with benefits, accom, sign posting to mental health and alcohol services etc.  One (of the very few) staff members commented that often people come in for just a drink, but as they sit and become comfortable, they begin to share about other needs they may have.  Approximately 60 visitors per day are to be expected, who have access to some I.T. training, assistance with C.V.'s the opportunity to bathe or shower, and get professional advice on the various issues which seem common amongst those dropping in.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Emmaus&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The idea of a French Catholic priest following WW2; the premise is that the residents become 'companions' (to other residents), committing to working a 40 hours week, relinquishing all right to benefits  - only the housing benefit being claimed directly by Emmaus.  The residents may stay in the house for life, but seldom do.  Although a world wide movement, each Emmaus is run as a local charity, whose aim is to quickly become financially self sufficient through their shop sales.  The shop is on the Emmaus campus (next to the recycling centre), and sells the goods brought in by you and I.  This includes, dining room furniture, sofas, small electrical goods.  There are 22 beds.  They are all full.  They have had 96 referrals since March 09.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Winchester Churches Nightshelter&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Open at 6pm, providing a bed, dinner,  and breakfast for up to 15 people per night. They give out blankets to those who they cannot accommodate. The nightshelter is unable to open without volunteers.  A no drugs and no drink environment, breathalysing on the door against the drink-drive limits.  They charge a £2 fee to enter, to encourage those wishing to stay so save a small part of their benefits, and take some responsibility for their welfare.  Regularly turning people away.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;c.  the issues&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Funding:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The annual costs of running the Trinity Centre are 500k, of which currently 150k is provided by the local council - this means approx. 70% of the income is generated by applications to charities/ lottery grants etc.  The Winchester Churches Nightshelter seems to run on both donations and grants - the nature of the donations includes financial, to clothes, blankets, and hot food.  The Nightshelter will be reapplying for grants within the next year, with no certain assurance that these will be granted.  The contribution from the Council has decreased over the last year.  Trinity too has seen a drop in the number of funding applications which go on to be successful.  At one point, 1 in 4 or 5 were successful, now the number is nearer 20.  This inevitably means that there are less staff (redundancies were made recently), spending longer on administrative work in order to gain the same or less funding. Emmaus aims to be self sufficient within 12 months, but clearly benefitting from substantial initial investment in order to provide the building.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Volunteers:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Trinity Centre will on occasion have to 'shut' to clients due to lack of staff.  It seemed that there were 2 administrative staff usually in the building, and a few part time key workers - one of whom works with families in particular.  However, there is a desperate need for more volunteers to help - the hours between 10 and 2pm seemed particularly challenging for them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;d.  the opportunities&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Trinity and the nightshelter are wanting volunteers; Nightshelter needs people from 6pm, particularly those willing to sleep over (as two people are needed on site for health and saftey purposes). The Trinity needs volunteers in the day time, particularly between 10am and 2pm. This could be for one day a week or more regularly; the role would be 'befriending', support, etc. &lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The nightshelter also needs the ongoing support from local churches of regular meals (these are heated up on site).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Emmaus were asking that people donate to their shop, visit the shop and use their coffee shop. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;There were a few homeless people at the meeting; a request was made that services worked together to provide hot drinks to those who don't make it into the nightshelter. People often sleep in the Friasgate car park - just opposite the MBC.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The manager of Winchester Churches Nightshelter (can't remember her name) is sound - would be wise to run past any bright ideas with her for advice.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "&gt;e.  comment&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Key themes of the evening included the rooms appreciation at the amazing work done by the charities, the appreciation of the charities for the amazing volunteers, and the councils disagreement that there was any significant problem.  having never attended a meeting like this, I found this initially odd although towards the end of the evening this increasingly became rather darkly comic.  I also found that out of the many councillors present, only 1 seemed to speak with any coherent meaning.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I found that people who began a question with 'as an elected member' didn't get to a question and usually caused people to heckle or laugh - neither responses being positive.  I personally felt stirred with faith about the opportunity for the church to be generous in resource, volunteers, financial giving, and use the amazing people in our churches to help with the various big and complex multifaceted issues such as  - how do you help people get back into work?  I felt angry about the apparent lack of genuine engagement and concern by those elected.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I think any action will feel like hard work, because it will be.  I also think it will be laced with the Holy Spirit, and see the beginning of revival in Winchester and the fulfilment of the prophetic words we have received as a church regarding worship.  This will principally be because as the poor are counted amongst those who join the song of thanks to God, we will become a more complete body, and that God will pour out his blessing on a his people as they go 'Go out quickly to the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in the poor and crippled and blind and lame.' going in his name to make disciples.  Fundamentally I think God will love this, and that he won't be able to withhold his extravagant blessing on something which reflects his Son so brightly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-1202034319786046614?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/1202034319786046614/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=1202034319786046614' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1202034319786046614'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1202034319786046614'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/10/homelessness-in-winchester.html' title='Homelessness in Winchester'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-7050765176148560743</id><published>2009-10-25T20:22:00.010Z</published><updated>2009-10-25T20:55:09.994Z</updated><title type='text'>Angel?  A strangers encouragement when running on empty.</title><content type='html'>&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 18px; font-family:'trebuchet ms', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:x-large;"&gt;We have stayed long enough at this mountain - stories 3/4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 18px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;p color="#551b8b" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Trebuchet MS'; "&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline; "&gt;&lt;a href="http://web.me.com/thomasfoster2/Toms_Blog/Back_to_Toms_Blog/Entries/2009/7/22_SONG%3A_Lets_Go!.html"&gt;this is a song I wrote a number of months ago, it comes to mind again as I write this stuff.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15px; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Trebuchet MS'; "&gt;Wow, so much is happening! I believe these are the days we will look back at and begin to see the first answers to the prophetic words he has been stirring in our hearts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15px; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Trebuchet MS'; "&gt;God is moving, he is speaking to us about his compassion, his love, and his justice. It is to affect every aspect of our lives, and every ounce of it is for his glory.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15px; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Trebuchet MS'; "&gt;I have a few short blogs to share over the next few days - please do leave comments if you have any view!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;span style="font: 18.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;I get tired&lt;/span&gt; talking and thinking about social justice and God's love - it can be a bit draining.  Inevitably, at the point I can speak with passion, others often will need as long as I did to begin for a sense a conviction about this to take hold.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;We have begun to take our own steps as a family in responding to the Holy Spirit's voice, but I feel the call to be also be messenger to the church when he sometimes speaks to me about stuff.  This is something I first heard God speak to me about by a bus stop when I was 14.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;It means that at times I feel quite a weight to see others carry the convictions which God has laid on my heart, and begin to live out his calling.   It is amazing.  But it can be quite hard.   Sometimes because it highlights my own hypocrisy when I am failing to walk the walk, but other times simply experiencing the love of the Father for his people to fall more in love with him and submit to his agenda, can become a prayerful preoccupation that mixes pain with the grace of God to achieve it!  You see a glorious future for God's people, and groan for it be here now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;For me, it means sometimes I ache with weary legs.   In part my response must be to consider how the training and preparation could be improved on!   But very often it just means I've become aware of my own weakness, and need to be again reminded of his incredible strength. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt; His word, his power, for his glory!  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;I found again recently, that as we seek to keep moving, keep the vision, call on God for his help, his provision, he always comes to us.  It is most often when I'm drained and empty that God comes to me most tangibly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;About a week ago I was walking through London - just around the steps leading down from Waterloo station to the Southbank area.   A big guy was walking towards me.   He suddenly stopped, stood back, took a second look at me, smiled, and said 'Don't give up - keep going'.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 16.0px Verdana"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 16.0px Verdana"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt; As he passed, my heart was suddenly full of the father's love for me. I was reminded of moments in Israel at the end of business trip.  Our hosts took us to Jersaleum, and we spent the afternoon being shown special places by the guide - many churches and statues.  As we walked around, all I could see in my mind was the streets where he fell carrying the cross, the places he loved and trained h&lt;/span&gt;is disciples, the religiosity he offended as he loved the outcast and spoke with venom against the religion of the day which totally missed the point.  And how did he begin his ministry?  As we can read, he started with this:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, serif; font-size: 16px; "&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;The Spirit of God, the Master, is on me because God anointed me.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;He sent me to preach good news to the poor,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;heal the heartbroken,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Announce freedom to all captives,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;pardon all prisoners.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;God sent me to announce the year of his grace—&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;a celebration of God's destruction of our enemies—&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;and to comfort all who mourn,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;To care for the needs of all who mourn in Zion,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;give them bouquets of roses instead of ashes,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;Messages of joy instead of news of doom,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 16px/normal Verdana; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "&gt;a praising heart instead of a languid spirit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt; Prophet or angel?   I don't know.   I watched him pass on and walk across the bridge, he spoke to no one else.  I have never met that man.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;What I do know is that our God is great, and his plans will not be stopped.  His kingdom is coming, and the very gates of hell shall not prevail - as Martin Smith sings - "Devil - you're not going to win."  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;He is our Father in heaven.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;He sustains us.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;He loves us.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;He loves the lost.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;He wants them all.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-7050765176148560743?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/7050765176148560743/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=7050765176148560743' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7050765176148560743'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/7050765176148560743'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/10/angel-strangers-encouragement-when.html' title='Angel?  A strangers encouragement when running on empty.'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-1170924121552377543</id><published>2009-10-21T22:21:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2010-01-14T14:23:20.349Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lyrics'/><title type='text'>Citizens with a secret in our hands</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  ;font-family:Verdana, Arial;font-size:12px;"&gt;Citizens with a secret in our hands&lt;br /&gt;That could ignite our shadow lands&lt;br /&gt;Light it up and let it go&lt;br /&gt;Let it shine with love and grace and a redesign&lt;br /&gt;A ray of hope for the common man&lt;br /&gt;Light it up and let it go&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, oh, oh,&lt;br /&gt;We've got to give it away&lt;br /&gt;And there's a price to pay&lt;br /&gt;When we give it away&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Break the silence, break the silence,&lt;br /&gt;Cross ever boundary that divides us, divides us&lt;br /&gt;Break the silence, break the silence,&lt;br /&gt;Cross ever border that divides us, oh, unite us&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We turn the page, to a future just begun&lt;br /&gt;If heaven is real then let our heaven become&lt;br /&gt;Peace on earth, let it flow.&lt;br /&gt;We raise our voice where the colours all but gone&lt;br /&gt;Paint the world with redemption songs&lt;br /&gt;Stir it up let it flow&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:Verdana, Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:12px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:Verdana, Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:12px;"&gt;From the song 'Break the Silence' on the album 'Kingdom of Comfort' by Delirious&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-1170924121552377543?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/1170924121552377543/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=1170924121552377543' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1170924121552377543'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1170924121552377543'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/10/citizens-with-secret-in-our-hands-that.html' title='Citizens with a secret in our hands'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-1288652284295516178</id><published>2009-10-21T22:15:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2009-10-21T22:26:07.584+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Poverty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Justice'/><title type='text'>My son prophesied that!</title><content type='html'>&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 18px; font-family:'trebuchet ms', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:x-large;"&gt;We have stayed long enough at this mountain - stories 2/4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" line-height: 18px;font-size:x-large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" line-height: 18px;font-size:x-large;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; color:#551b8b;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: underline"&gt;&lt;a href="http://web.me.com/thomasfoster2/Toms_Blog/Back_to_Toms_Blog/Entries/2009/7/22_SONG%3A_Lets_Go!.html"&gt;this is a song I wrote a number of months ago, it comes to mind again as I write this stuff. &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;Wow, so much is happening!  I believe these are the days we will look back at and begin to see the first answers to the prophetic words he has been stirring in our hearts.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;God is moving, he is speaking to us about his compassion, his love, and his justice.  It is to affect every aspect of our lives, and every ounce of it is for his glory.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;I have a few short blogs to share over the next few days - please do leave comments if you have any view!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" line-height: 18px; font-size:x-large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;span style="font: 18.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;On Sunday night, &lt;/span&gt;Marianne attended a Winchester churches together meeting.  She came back telling me it was the best meeting she had been to in 15 yrs!  Speaking at this session was Mark Stibbe.  He preached about what he felt God was doing with his church.  &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;Two key themes came through &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;a.  In the future we will see far more geographical gatherings of God's people in an area rather than being defined more by 'streams' or 'denominations'.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;b.  That God was raising up leaders who were going to live in a place in which the previously distinct ministries of 'mercy' and 'miraculous' would become one.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;Marianne couldn't stop smiling as she tried to put her keys in the lock - looking through the glass door at her face, I knew something was up.  She told me that I should have been there not her - that it was exactly the kind of thing I had been talking about.  I just thought of the prophetic words about God taking us into the next stage of life, together.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;She said that he spoke of a new generation being like Robin Hood's taking from the unrighteous rich and giving to the poor.  This very weak my 6 year old son as much prophesied this himself!  &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;span style="font: 18.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;Ben has developed&lt;/span&gt; a small but growing desire to go to Africa and "give money to the poor people", and we have started sponsoring a child in support of this vision.  Her picture is on his wall.  He is thinking about saving some of his pocket money to give to her for Christmas.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;When he heard about the bad people in these countries who withhold the money, he simply revised his desired job description as going to African countries and getting that money back and giving it to the poor.  God's spirit is on him.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;At his parents evening, one of his teachers, who although he attends where many teachers are believers we don't think is a Christian, remarked there was something different about him - that he seemed so 'spiritual'.  She said had recently had the whole class silent when they studied at the creation story, and he talked to them about God making each thing.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;He is a very 'normal' boy, he is not perfect, yesterday we had very frank words, but he has another Father who is with him, speaking through him, developing his heart.  As his father, I cannot imagine anything greater.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px 'Trebuchet MS'"&gt;I have the growing thrill that my own father had - of seeing God work out his plans in a new generation.  This time, I want even more for the generations to work together, love God together, and see our Father's kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS', serif;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:13px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-1288652284295516178?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/1288652284295516178/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=1288652284295516178' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1288652284295516178'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/1288652284295516178'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/10/my-son-prophesied-that.html' title='My son prophesied that!'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-6417991741621101832</id><published>2009-10-19T18:32:00.006+01:00</published><updated>2009-10-19T22:22:53.400+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Followers of Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Worship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Poverty'/><title type='text'>We have stayed long enough at this mountain - stories 1/4</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:x-large;"&gt;We have stayed long enough at this mountain - stories 1/4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://web.me.com/thomasfoster2/Toms_Blog/Back_to_Toms_Blog/Entries/2009/7/22_SONG%3A_Lets_Go!.html"&gt;this is a song I wrote a number of months ago, it comes to mind again as I write this stuff. &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Wow, so much is happening!  I believe these are the days we will look back at and begin to see the first answers to the prophetic words he has been stirring in our hearts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;God is moving, he is speaking to us about his compassion, his love, and his justice.  It is to affect every aspect of our lives, and every ounce of it is for his glory.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I have a few short blogs to share over the next few days - please do leave comments if you have any view!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;1.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:large;"&gt;On Sunday morning, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I was playing piano at church but almost missed the start of the meeting as I found myself talking to 4 homeless guys who had sat down at the back of the meeting!  I have been praying about this for a while - below is a excerpt from the Followers of Jesus I wrote a while ago and have blogged about:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/06/followers-of-jesus-v3.html"&gt;"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/06/followers-of-jesus-v3.html"&gt;The previous weeks I had spent time reading the prophets and listening to an album by some Christian musicians who were giving all the proceeds to social justice related charities.  As I opened my eyes I began to see many people filling the empty seats – not actual people – but in my imagination they were there.  I was drawn to the multicolored wisdom of God in Ephesians, and I felt God speaking to me that his glory would be shown as these people took their seats – not just the financially poor, but the rejected, the depressed, the hurt, and the sick (Isaiah 61 ran through my mind)."&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I have never seen these homeless guys before, although I think they may have come before - I really don't know.  I couldn't quite believe my eyes though.  It really isn't an environment I would expect them to feel invited into or accepted in (can I say that?!)  It's so professional and clean, and well spoken -  an odd although not necessarily contradictory statement, since as I spoke to these guys, they were kind, articulate, clearly intelligent, and warmly shook my hand.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I said Hi, and slightly foolishly asked them where they were from - 'we're homeless, we're from here' was their response.  I feel a bit silly.  Fortunately the little I have become aware of over the last year or so enabled the conversation to continue.  I mentioned that some of the guys I spoke to say that a lot of people stay in the car park at the bottom of town.  We talked about other locations where people can stay, and what their current place was like - the 'Nightshelter' run by churches in Winchester.  One guys said it wasn't good and started to complain about it, the other guys quietened him down, and said it was fine - I got the impression that the truth was somewhere in the middle.  The aggravator started to tell me about a meeting coming up in which complaints would be heard - it was at this point that Mark tapped me on the shoulder and said they needed me on the stage to play piano so they could start the meeting.  Having told them why I had to go, they wished me the best and said they would watch out for me on the stage - I told them not too - and if possible not to listen to me either, they smiled.  That day at church we were having a meal to celebrate a new elder joining the church, I wasn't sure whether I could ask them back, it didn't seem right, looking back it should have seemed perfect.  What was I thinking?  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;We recently heard the stories of guys like this who stay at the night shelter since Phil, a guy in our church, has been helping there for the last year.  The majority are men like me, except they had a really bad 'run of it', ended up without their family, without their home, and without a job - 6 weeks in a life-location like that can take years to get out of - this was the feeling I got from these guys, not unlike me, but pretty much entrenched.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;It doesn't take long for confidence to go, drinking to begin, and hope to evaporate.  Yet God is not only their help if they turn to him, he is their caller - in the bible he seems to shout their names, and commissions his church to go to them in his name - to be sheep and not goats.  This is what God is like.  He hates injustice and poverty as it touched the lives of those he made in his own image.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;The churches song is the song of the redeemed.  As the poor become rich, the prisoners are set free, the captives are released, the song is louder, it is sweeter, the church is brighter, because we his sheep reflect his glory more brightly.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;a few more to follow this week :-)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;  &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;   &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-6417991741621101832?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/6417991741621101832/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=6417991741621101832' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/6417991741621101832'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/6417991741621101832'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/10/we-have-stayed-long-enough-at-this.html' title='We have stayed long enough at this mountain - stories 1/4'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-3369051832890249432</id><published>2009-10-05T22:15:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2009-10-05T22:21:35.619+01:00</updated><title type='text'>U2 Mission and Music</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" ;font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/17px Verdana; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); vertical-align: middle; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;A couple of Bono/U2 articles have caught my eye recently ....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/17px Verdana; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); vertical-align: middle; "&gt;Bono seems to give a really great summary of why the gospel is the gospel 'good news'.  This article is entitled Bono: Grace over Karma&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/17px Verdana; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); vertical-align: middle; "&gt;"&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" border-collapse: collapse; font-family:Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I'd be in big trouble if Karma was going to finally be my judge. I'd be in deep s---. It doesn't excuse my mistakes, but I'm holding out for Grace. I'm holding out that Jesus took my sins onto the Cross, because I know who I am, and I hope I don't have to depend on my own religiosity."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/17px Verdana; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); vertical-align: middle; "&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/music/interviews/2005/bono-0805.html?start=1"&gt;The rest of this article is really fantastic - have a read&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/17px Verdana; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); vertical-align: middle; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/17px Verdana; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); vertical-align: middle; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wallis"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt;Jim Wallis&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"&gt; article on attending a U2 concert with his 11 year old son&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/17px Verdana; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); vertical-align: middle; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;"In fact, what I love about a U2 concert, headlined by the Irish tenor with the sun glasses, is how it achieves such a powerful combination of art and social justice, music and message; and all with such fun. The &lt;/span&gt;&lt;em style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;New York Times&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt; titled its review of the opening concert in Giants stadium as “Fun With a Mission.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/17px Verdana; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); vertical-align: middle; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;As always on nights with U2, activism for human rights and democracy was lifted up. “Walk On” was dedicated to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1950505.stm"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;Aung San Suu Kyi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;, the opp&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;osition leader and Nobel Peace Prize laureate under house arrest in Burma/Myanmar. “How long has she been under house arrest,” asked Luke. “20 years” I said, and watched the look of concern and indignation on the face of a pre-teenager—at a rock concert. Luke also got to see a short video of a beaming&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Tutu"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Desmond Tutu&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;, another Nobel Peace Prize winner, talk about “the kind of people” who make a difference in this world, and invited us all to join the One Campaign."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/17px Verdana; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); vertical-align: middle; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Full article from: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: normal; "&gt;&lt;a href="http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/01/music-with-a-mission-my-kids-first-rock-concert/"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:verdana;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;http://blog.sojo.net/2009/10/01/music-with-a-mission-my-kids-first-rock-concert/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-3369051832890249432?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/3369051832890249432/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=3369051832890249432' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3369051832890249432'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3369051832890249432'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/10/u2-mission-and-music.html' title='U2 Mission and Music'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-2266486571403232876</id><published>2009-10-02T18:31:00.004+01:00</published><updated>2009-10-02T18:48:00.876+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Money'/><title type='text'>Money 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Some time ago I blogged about money.  not the lack of it, but my misuse of it(see the tag 'money' on the right hand column!).  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;The journey back from debt is continuing, progressing, but still painful, and very much incomplete!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;In the process of cutting my personal debt, I took a lot out of my business.  Late in the final payment for my corporation tax, Monday was the deadline before assets began to be seized.  Today I made the final payment.  Thank you God.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;This is all so imperfect, so laden with mistakes, the history of bad choices coming into the present - 'consequences' is what I think it is called.  A fool ignores them.  I did.  But God's grace does not deal with me as I deserve, 'by grace I have been saved, not by works, that none may boast'.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;This has been a personal area of weakness for me - finances.  It is humiliating and a brings a sense of shame.  Words often come to my mind telling me' I am a joke', but I want to develop character and not give up.  He sustains me, his love doesn't dim.  He reminds me I am his treasured posession and he has plans to prosper me.  Imperfect, reaping the only consequences that my decisions were going to bring, even now he is wish me, strengthening me.  Never forsaking me.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Changes in decision making will only come by both a change in the values underpinning the motives driving them, and developed discipline.  I am beginning the journey in both respects with regard to this area of my life.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I am sharing this because I think the process of change is an interesting thing, and it perhaps reveals the goodness of God to men who have screwed up.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Everything will be revealed, so better it be revealed now so I can enjoy his grace (even if financially I was to totally fall apart for a time) and be changed, and live a closer walk with Jesus.  Such a King, such a revolutionary, such a saviour.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-2266486571403232876?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/2266486571403232876/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=2266486571403232876' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/2266486571403232876'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/2266486571403232876'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/10/money-2.html' title='Money 2'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-6735665020067390794</id><published>2009-09-13T12:09:00.005+01:00</published><updated>2009-09-13T12:36:01.895+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jonathan Edwards'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='John Piper'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Preaching'/><title type='text'>APTAT</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I have just read &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;J&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;ohn Piper's 'The Supremacy of God in Preaching'&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt; Such an excellent book.  Feels somehow similar to Packer's Knowing God - each sentence rooted in scripture, quoting scripture, with a insightful and applying comment.  Just 110 pages long, but each of them fantastic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having preached recently for the first time in 5 years, I was encouraged by his open honesty about the process of preaching, and of course his actual preaching which must be some of the best stuff around.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;His opening preface really does set the tone for the book - people need to know God is real, that he is glorious:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;'People are starving for the greatness of God' &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;It's a good opening sentence!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His passion is challenging and a bit contagious.  It is easy to see the similarities between people like Piper and Sam Storms once I read Desiring God and One Thing.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;There is a exultation in who God is, that doesn't start with the self.  It is very God-centred, deep, and doesn't shy away from wrath, holiness, love, death, sin, grace, or judgement, because each of them reveal the glory of God and are therefore  deserving of our attention.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;They begin with God, not narrowing the scope of study from the outset according to what might be palatable at any point in time, or to a particular group of listeners.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Late in the book he comments that a lecturer of his suggested he read and become an expert on one preacher he liked, could feed on, and then as his reading deepened could have theoretically conversations with as an aid to working out his own thoughts.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I wonder who mine might be - I read widely, but not deeply with any particular author - maybe one or two books each.  I think of Terry Virgo's reading of and Lloyd-Jones, or Piper on J. Edwards, or Driscoll on Spurgeon.  I am thinking who I might study and meditate upon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A favourite part of this book from Piper  was his APTAT acronym for preaching! (pg 45)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;APTAT &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;A&lt;/b&gt;dmit (Jn 15:5), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;P&lt;/b&gt;ray (Ps 50:15), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;T&lt;/b&gt;rust (Ps 40:17), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;A&lt;/b&gt;ct (1 Thess 2:13b), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;T&lt;/b&gt;hanks (express gratitude),&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;His commendation to young preachers to always quote the scriptures from which they are teaching was so helpful. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Piper says that many young preachers assume the listener can jump from a verse reference to the point they go onto make - he encourages us to quote the verses in detail, all of them.  A recommendation that might also make sure the preacher is actually preaching form the bible!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;This point reminded me of Terry Virgo - I love listening to him as he makes a point, comments, then quotes verbatim passages of scripture to support it, his preaching is a narrative richly woven with quoted scripture.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;It is a style that brings me close to God, anchors me in scripture, helps me remember scripture for myself, and has authority as it is based in scripture.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;But you can only preach like that if you read, study, and meditate upon scripture, so Piper's quote of Edwards might be the best thing to close with:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 3px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 3px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Resolved, to study the Scriptures so steadily, constantly and frequently, as that I may find, and plainly perceive myself to grow in the knowledge of the same."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 3px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 3px; font-family:Arial, fantasy;font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-6735665020067390794?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/6735665020067390794/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=6735665020067390794' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/6735665020067390794'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/6735665020067390794'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/09/aptat.html' title='APTAT'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-8855463867057598897</id><published>2009-09-10T08:22:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2009-09-10T08:35:33.550+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Books and Music and Doors</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;First week back at work after about 10 days holiday, I'm flagging!  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I may be either ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1.  needing to reengage my sense of being called to work where I work to the glory of God. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;OR&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2.  needing to find something to do alongside my day job which allows me to be more active in the areas in which I am stirred.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;OR Both.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;... but am definitely&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;in need of spending some time with God in the presence of God the Holy Spirit.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Have begun to pray that God leads me to a place where I can work in a setting which engages more of the things on my heart.  Have a few thoughts about how I can reduce time spent in some areas and free it up to spend on other activities.  God, please open some new doors!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Definitely need to spend some time with a few guys who encourage and inspire me.  Considering going to the next conference at the Kings Arms church in Bedford.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Currently &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;reading ...&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Practical Theology for Women by Wendy Alsup&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Many Christians in today's churches seem much more convinced of the reality of their problems than the reality of God.  Our cell phone bill, the transmission in our car, or the coworker in the next cubicle consumes our thoughts.  Whether we are single or married, stay-at-home moms or working women we tend to get so tied up in the minutiae of life that we miss the biggest thing, the ultimate reality.  God must be big in our minds".  pg 33.&lt;/blockquote&gt;listening to ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;album called 'Consumed' by a band from Bethel church called Jesus Culture&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-8855463867057598897?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/8855463867057598897/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=8855463867057598897' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/8855463867057598897'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/8855463867057598897'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/09/books-and-music-and-doors.html' title='Books and Music and Doors'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-889217601929784917</id><published>2009-08-26T16:01:00.004+01:00</published><updated>2010-01-14T14:24:00.165Z</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Poverty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Love'/><title type='text'>paneled houses</title><content type='html'>&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px; "&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Is it a time for you yourselves to dwell in your paneled houses, while this house lies in ruins? (Haggai 1:4)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Reading Haggai about a month ago I was struck but this verse.  It's one of those things that takes me a long time to process.  I sense there is something a bit deep about this one.  An underlying challenge to how I have tended to think.  God's glory is not yet fully on display to the nations.  The temple has not been restored to either it's former glory, or as Hag goes onto say, the glory he has prepared for it to inherit which is greater than anything previously displayed to the nations.  So comes the question, why are you making your own lovely houses even lovelier, when the temple is destroyed and strewn about?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Is this a time to be be considering en-suite bathrooms and beautiful conservatives for those living in a southerly aspect rear-facing garden, or time to consider whether the glory of God (including the justice, the compassion, the mercy, the love of God who is love), is laid plain before the nations, the cross our only boast, and signs and wonders visible to any who would spend time with us.  Given the choice between making plain this hope as Stephen did in Acts 7, or laying a nice new oak flooring (as I did recently), which would we take?  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;This verse hit me as I prepared to preach on marriage.  I gave an example of loving my wife (I gave others less favorable to my conduct) as I told the story of me working hard and taking risks to refurbish our house so that it would be a place my wife loved to be, that we would together enjoy raising our sons in, and in which it would be our pleasure to entertain our guests.  Did I mention that I love my wife.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I take none of the previous paragraph back.  The verse nevertheless continues to hit me hard.  It is one of those which seems a surface challenge, and then the more you read it and think about, it, it inverts the value systems we live by and the rules by which I make decisions.  The sense in which consider myself part of a whole and in which I am destined to have identity as part of a corporately divinely designed body and bride, demonstrating to all of heaven and earth, the glory of God.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;When I was young I had a narrower interpretation of Paul's command to lay aside that which so easily entangles.   Now it is beginning to have a broader emphasis, and the need for me to retain and gain a bigger view of the glory of God and the summing up of all things in Christ, is greater than ever.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-889217601929784917?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/889217601929784917/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=889217601929784917' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/889217601929784917'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/889217601929784917'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/08/paneled-houses.html' title='paneled houses'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-4614707085996489401</id><published>2009-08-19T16:44:00.015+01:00</published><updated>2009-08-19T18:38:37.383+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Isolated stimulation to polished exhibitionism?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;In reading the following 2 articles, tweeted by my good friend Al, I began to tweet a comment.  It became too unwieldy for the given limit so I've dropped it in here.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Just a few thoughts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 0); "&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/5682808"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Article 1: NT Wright on blogging 'Is social media 'a type of social masturbation'?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;It is interesting, but so dependent on the individual and levels of consumption as to only provide a vague warning.  The phrase 'social masturbation' is pretty insightful though!  I think it may become a re-used term for other kinds of individual action, if people are brave enough!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#003300;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://faith-theology.blogspot.com/2009/08/megachurch-worship-supersize-me.html"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Article 2: Theologian Benjamin Myers visits Hillsongs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;The Hillsongs article is very alarming at the start &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;“The Bible isn’t a book about God’s love for man; it’s a book about man’s love for God.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt; - did he actually say that during his preach!  I bet he cringes looking back at that!  I certainly hope he does.  I look forward to the next article in response to this from Benjamin Myers (I think posted some time ago).  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Having never been to Hillsongs, I have no id&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;ea whether the meeting was typical or the description balanced, so I have no more universal statements to make about Hillsongs, other than I probably wouldn't choose to go there myself on the basis of this article! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Some of the issues do seem cultural - DVD's, albums, books, and clothes are all doing a good trade in many churches, so the $14.99 doesn't worry me, even if it does seem a bit of a rip off, when you can get free downloads of Terry Virgo from the newfrontiers website! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;Anyway, the level of screen based interaction is less a concern for me per se.  It is the extent to which it, and other contributory factors borrowing from a more audience/performer model... &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;'such as the man with a torch and walkie-talkie who met us at the door and briskly ushered us to our seats; the dimly lit auditorium with its brightly coloured stage'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"&gt;... draws attention and adulation to any person other than God which is to be avoided!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I think we are becoming lazy in our commitment to congre&lt;/span&gt;gational and charasmatic worship, in which God may speak to anybody, frequently does, in a great variety of ways, and it's subsequent replacement by the 'accessible' performance which puts on a highly polished show whilst seemingly startlingly in tune with culture. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;One of the losses I have experienced is the absence of those wonderfully awkward moments in meetings when you have no idea what God is going to say, through whom, in what manner, or using what gift - but you certainly know you are know you are going no where until he does, because his voice and presence are just about all you want.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;A couple of practicalities.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', fantasy;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;In big meetings people can often only see the back of the person in fronts head, or a very blandly decorated building.  If we are going to have a 'church building' in the form of a large auditorium and if we opt for a stage for the meeting, begin meetings by announcing who's in charge ('worship leader'), and get everyone to look in one direction at the back of each others heads, then I think you might as well have a big screen so people can actually work out what is going on - both believer and unbeliever.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;In Matt Redmans DVD 'Facedown' the words appear on the screen along with sympathetic visuals - I don't think there are any faces on display. This can bring a wonderfully creative response to God into our corporate meetings.  I'm a fan of this, I've often wondered whether we could alongside the song words, display visuals and bible verses to help bring a corporate focus on God.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;So I suppose my questions might be these:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial; min-height: 15.0px"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;a.  can people work out what is going on in the meeting - this may require a big screen if you have the kind of environment I have described above, and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;b.  is the screen used to draw people into worship and focus on God or on an individual.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;c.  are we responding to God in a suitably creative way given the manner in which he has made us?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I look forward to speaking to some the youth guys in our church in October.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I want to encourage them to meet God for themselves, then contribute in meetings even if it might seem disruptive - my experience is that some leaders feel at a loss on how to reign in the passivity, and dissatisfied by the limited volume and kind of contributions often brought.  It can mystify them why the coming together of the church is accompanied by such a passive atmosphere.  I want to encourage the youth to hear God, speak, be obedience to God - the leaders will be relieved!   I want to encourage them to read their bible honestly, in a sense to challenge it, question it, find out what it actually says, who said it, and with what effect, and then read Ephesians 1 about a billion times until they are drunk in the Holy Spirit, full of faith, and deeply in love with Jesus.  They will then see the sick healed, and the lost saved.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Arial"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:small;"&gt;I want to encourage them, even provoke them, to not settle to be observers or the audience - the show as far as I can see just isn't that good. ;-)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-4614707085996489401?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/4614707085996489401/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=4614707085996489401' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4614707085996489401'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4614707085996489401'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/08/response-to-tweeted-articles-social.html' title='Isolated stimulation to polished exhibitionism?'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-3856105998878112109</id><published>2009-08-12T22:36:00.004+01:00</published><updated>2009-08-12T22:54:30.683+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Song'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lyrics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>SONG: Once I thought I was my own</title><content type='html'>&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;The roughest recording I have ever shared!  and yes I know it is pretty much the same in quality as the others ;-)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;a href="http://web.me.com/thomasfoster2/Toms_Blog/Back_to_Toms_Blog/Entries/2009/8/12_SONG%3A_Once_I_thought_I_was_my_own.html"&gt;Get the music from here.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;Playing on Monday and I stuck on the recorder on my laptop for a few minutes and this was there at the end :-)  The vaguely Dylan inflection at the beginning was admittedly self conscious, but on reflection may have been better left alone - or maybe just needs some more practice!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;I am reading a lot about marriage, and have been stuck in the verse “as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her” in Ephesians 5.  Obviously the last bit is Tim Hughes song Happy Day.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="font: 14.0px Lucida Grande; letter-spacing: 0.0px color:#80ff00;"&gt;Lyrics&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt; (although they change a bit in the second time around!).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;once I thought I was my own,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;a dead mans boast in his heart of stone,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;your love it seemed so far away,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;it was my sin that made it that way,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;and then I heard your voice&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;a voice that terrified&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;holy holy God &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;I was terrified&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;but your love&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;it drew me through&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;this holy voice&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;that terrified&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;called from a cross&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;from which you were crucified&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;"father forgive them&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;they don't know what it is they do"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 11px/normal 'Lucida Grande'; min-height: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p  style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 11.0px Lucida Grande;  min-height: 13.0pxcolor:#ffffff;"&gt;&lt;span style="letter-spacing: 0.0px"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-3856105998878112109?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://web.me.com/thomasfoster2/Toms_Blog/Back_to_Toms_Blog/Entries/2009/8/12_SONG%3A_Once_I_thought_I_was_my_own.html' title='SONG: Once I thought I was my own'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/3856105998878112109/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=3856105998878112109' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3856105998878112109'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3856105998878112109'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/08/song-once-i-thought-i-was-my-own.html' title='SONG: Once I thought I was my own'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-194664077991211268</id><published>2009-08-12T21:50:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2009-08-12T22:21:47.879+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Followers of Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Brian Mclaren'/><title type='text'>Followers of Jesus - defined better than me</title><content type='html'>&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  line-height: 17px; font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;Still pursuing a context for the Followers of Jesus proposal made earlier in this blog, I wonder if I might have more success using this article from Brian McClaren!  Excellent, unnerving, and exciting.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Excerpt below:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;"I think we all can agree, have a special calling – to increasingly harmonize our lives (including our lives as citizens) with the teaching and example of Jesus. My concern is that many of my sisters and brothers, without realizing it, have begun seeing Jesus and the faith through the lens of a neo-conservative political framework, thus reducing their vision of Jesus and his essential message of the kingdom of God. As a result, too many of us are becoming more and more zealous conservatives, but less and less Christ-like Christians, and many don’t seem to notice the difference."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" line-height: 17px;font-size:12px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" line-height: 17px;font-size:12px;"&gt;McClaren brings focus to the health care debate currently taking place in the U.S., but I expect I will spend the next few days again reading the papers through the lens, again, of what it means to be a Follower of Jesus in this world, at this time, for someone living in Winchester, Hampshire.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" line-height: 17px;font-size:12px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" line-height: 17px;font-size:12px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://blog.sojo.net/2009/08/11/an-open-letter-to-conservative-christians-in-the-us-on-health-care/"&gt;For the full article go here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style=" line-height: 17px;font-size:12px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-194664077991211268?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/194664077991211268/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=194664077991211268' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/194664077991211268'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/194664077991211268'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/08/followers-of-jesus-defined-better-than.html' title='Followers of Jesus - defined better than me'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-3683677409854678715</id><published>2009-08-07T23:50:00.007+01:00</published><updated>2009-08-10T22:27:00.188+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Marriage - part 4</title><content type='html'>&lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:Arial, fantasy;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-size:13px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:Arial, fantasy;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', -webkit-fantasy;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style=" color: rgb(51, 51, 51);  font-family:Arial, -webkit-fantasy;font-size:13px;"&gt;In preparation for a talk on Eph 5, I am slowly processing some notes, stories, and quotes...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;We all have needs.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms', -webkit-fantasy;"&gt;perceived needs, or unmet needs, or tough patches, or life's very tough patches,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;Often men like me, are tempted to use 'my needs' to evade my responsibility as a husband to love my wife.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;However in 1 Cor 13:13 the bible assures me that there is no excuse!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 21px; "&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;So then, whether felt needs, real needs, weaknesses, failures, tough patches, very touch patches in life as a whole, we can be confident on this: in the power of the Holy Spirit God provides a solution to every need, and his word provides examples and instruction for every situation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;In reality, the fundamental problem with my behaviour has never been the difficulties presented by a particular situation.  I love this quote from C.J. Mahaney's excellent series on marriage:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;"The message of the bible is as fresh today - sinful men who disobey the law of God still find that God's message of forgiveness in scripture is the only answer to this life’s most fundamental problem." C.J. Mahaney&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;C.J. goes on to add, that as Paul addresses the Corinthian church in 1 Corinthians, he uses the example of the Jews in the day of Moses, when writing to a Gentile church in Corinth, who had, on the surface, very different problems.  He continues ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;"We may have unique features, but beneath these, the problems of the Jews in the wilderness, the temptations of the Corinthians in the Roman Empire, the frustrations of modern day Americans are not significantly different.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;God has not changed, his commandments are not altered, man in is still sinful and stand in the same relationship to one-another and to God as in previous times.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;God has not changed, I have not changed.  God's once and for all sacrifice is unchanged is its effectiveness, his grace and mercy are unchanged in their depths, and his forgiveness remains inexhaustible, and his the might of his strength at work in me - it is unchanged.  He is unchanged in deserving all glory - the primary purpose for which marriage was created.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;In the face of this reminder, as a husband, I am reminded that I cannot lead my wife, unless I am being led by Christ.  In receiving the love and grace of God, I am positioning myself to become like Christ, and love as God loves, and in turn love my wife as Christ loved the church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;It has struck me again and again, that the most suitable song to sing after a preach on marriage is probably a song about the cross.  As Christ gave himself up for me at the cross.  At the cross where my deepest issues and needs were dealt with, at the cross with my contribution is seen for what it is, and at the cross where the love vast as the ocean, loving kindness the flood come to me.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;Matt Redmans song The Cross has said it all, is a good news morning devotional song for husbands everywhere as we pray for our wives and families!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;What a contrast to the multitude of self-help books, focused on self-esteem, focussed on my needs.  What an irony that books pertaining to help men like me fighting to love our wives would deceive us and lead us to focus on our selves - the very root of the problem!  Such books often seeking to reassure us that the issue is not our current position, but how we negotiate our way out of it, leading us to duck and evade exposure of our difficulties.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;If asked what the cause of so many marriage break-downs would anybody suggest that the cause was clearly a lack of books about self-help?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;This is not a cultural issue, this is a spiritual issue.  God is the answer.  'Only you can meet my deepest longing, only you can breath in me new life".  We need God's life if we are do stop evading responsibility and become like Christ - as he gave himself up".  What a saviour.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:'trebuchet ms';"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"   style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-mso-ansi-language:EN-USfont-family:Helvetica;font-size:12.0pt;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  ;font-family:Georgia, fantasy;font-size:16px;"&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; "&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US"   style="  ;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-3683677409854678715?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/3683677409854678715/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=3683677409854678715' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3683677409854678715'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/3683677409854678715'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/08/his-needs-what-need.html' title='Marriage - part 4'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-4711868728882341173</id><published>2009-08-07T09:35:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2009-08-07T10:04:34.961+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Marriage - part 3</title><content type='html'>&lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="font-family:Arial, fantasy;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "&gt;In preparation for a talk on Eph 5, I am slowly processing some notes, stories, and quotes...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"&gt;Looking back right to the beginning, our wedding day, I was feeling sick, feeling faint, I saw Marianne arrive in the car outside the church.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, fantasy; font-size: 13px; "&gt;A fleeting glimpse of the white dress, I was struggling to keep control.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It seemed like an age before the room fell silent, over 300 hundred heads turned to see first the brides maids enter, the music probably the most emotionally charged piece I have ever heard began.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, fantasy; font-size: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;The pause in the music came, and she entered the room.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  Beautiful, on her fathers arm, she slowly began to pace towards me.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, fantasy; font-size: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;My first thought was her dress, in the business of the previous month, the dress had not even crossed my mind, but now I was lost for words, as she turned to begin walking down the aisle, I was in tears, cramping-up trying to simply stay on my feet, and God spoke to me!&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, fantasy; font-size: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Christ and the church, this is how I love my church; this is how you are to love your wife.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It was beautiful, spectacular, consuming, I think that was the revelation I felt God gave me, of what was separate, coming together through a divine design to become one in covenant spiritual and physical love.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal;mso-pagination:none;tab-stops:28.3pt 56.65pt 85.0pt 113.35pt 141.7pt 170.05pt 198.4pt 226.75pt 255.1pt 283.45pt 311.8pt 340.15pt; mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, fantasy; font-size: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;We would be consumed - used up and given out completely to one-another.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For better or worse, for richer or poorer, given only to you to the exclusion of all others, this was glorious, but as I could continue, I am talking Christ and the church.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is the realization of the extent and extravagance of God’s love for me, that becomes the means of grace by which I can love my wife.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4022038577033123981-4711868728882341173?l=kissyourfeet.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/feeds/4711868728882341173/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4022038577033123981&amp;postID=4711868728882341173' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4711868728882341173'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4022038577033123981/posts/default/4711868728882341173'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://kissyourfeet.blogspot.com/2009/08/marriage-part-3.html' title='Marriage - part 3'/><author><name>Tom Foster</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09036188510228009018</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OvJW5gt2waE/TjvHTfYSwxI/AAAAAAAAEEA/olaJqJ-wfks/s220/photo.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4022038577033123981.post-8084336794266950896</id><published>2009-08-06T18:44:00.004+01:00</published><updated>2009-08-07T10:04:34.961+01:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Love'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marriage'/><title type='text'>Marriage - part 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 18px; "&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, fantasy; font-size: 13px; "&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "&gt;In preparation for a talk on Eph 5, I am slowly processing some notes, stories, and quotes...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; "&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "&gt;7 years later, in Winchester I was talking with a wise friend!&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Recently arrived in Winchester, I had come from a church where I was doing stuff in church, to not doing stuff here.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I was trying to work out how to process this, th
